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I consider Bari the gold standard in podcast hosting, despite having a fraction of the audience of Joe.
As a tangent, I want Dave Rubin to go back to hosting rather than content creating, as he is way better at the former than the latter. I'd also like Peterson to go back to lecturing instead of hosting, though he's also very good in a group of experts setting. For some reason, a small group of people tends to limit his too frequent interruptions, which happens when he's one-on-one and leading the discussion.
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