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Originally Posted by aerohead
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1) When you first posted, long ago, you'd already ( paraphrasing AeroStealth's dad ) 'stood naked to the entire world, revealing the complete poverty of your intellect.'
I've only seen this one other time here at Ecomodder.
2) Over two years later you're still beating the same drum.
3) I don't know how it is in South Africa, but in the United States, even our federal government offers us some semblance of consumer protections.
4) In 1978 there was a 'person' who marketed an 'engine treatment' for public sale, 'who' was found, by way of an investigation by the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, to be 'misrepresenting' certain 'facts' about 3rd-party laboratory test results of their product; which culminated in a $ 3,388,000 ( US Dollars ) fine [ 63,558,880- Rand ]. Their 'first' fine.
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5) I don't know how long Dr. Ali Erdemir ( erdemir@anl.gov ) is going to take to respond to your question, but I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt with respect to your ongoing mischaracterizations of his research.
6) There's a vast amount of empirical prima facie evidence in existence regarding automotive lubrication, of which you appear to have no acquaintance with at all, and every member and guest following this thread ought to know about if they're to have any chance of making 'informed' decisions about what they do with their cars.
I don't mean to trouble your delicate sensibilities, but your extraordinary claims will require extraordinary evidence, and I believe that I have enough information, given the necessary time, to create a linear, coherent, narrative that will explain, specifically why we're in this present 'situation.' Something you appear ill-equipped for.
7) I think that you're asking the wrong questions. |
Marketing..?
What marketing??
LOL!
I
put BA(aq) in a tired old miss-repaired engine and it 'fixed it'.
(for at least 5+ years, at which point it was stolen)
So I put BA in other engines and it saved on petrol, as well as making the engine feel more powerful, smoother and more refined.
Not just to me, but to the vehicle owners who were all more than pleased with the results.
(They also looked to require less oil servicing)
So I told people about it here, linking the research, as I felt it would be of great help to this community, and you 'jumped up' basically calling me a liar and/or delusional!
So what!? Am I supposed to go: "yes sir. Sorry sir. You are right" to that affront!???
Fact: The engine/car industry makes/has a lot of money.
More than enough to pay "Trolls" (as freebeard put it) to take a dump on any mention of info that might hurt their bottom line.
And here you are acting exactly as such a troll would, under the guise of a 1 man consumer protection agency.
I also NB the kind of professional 'delay and divert the question' tactics being employed...
- Where is your defense of Roach's omission of Aluminum and Iron from bearing surfaces?
- Where is your defense of the mixing of oil brands = additive packages, including Boric Acid forming Boron Esters, with no catastrophic failures?
- Where is your defense of implying that engines stop wearing, implying they last forever once run in?
All I see is a whole lot of changing the subject when your arguments are refuted.
Before ZDDP was adopted in every oil it was called: "Mouse Milk" by the oil industry for 20 years. (That also happens to be how long patents last btw)
Yet it was tested using similar methods to those used in the numerous peer reviewed, published research papers I LINKED here
- Where is your defense of implying that all the tests are useless, meaning that the only real test is in a working engine, but then contradicting yourself by saying "Don't test it"
I never wrote Dr Ali Erdemir:
As I recall you basically called him, and Argonne National Labs, owned by the US Dept Of Energy, a Snake Oil Salesman.
So; any reply (if any) from him would have been dumped on in the same manner/tactic as before IMHO, helpfully delaying and diverting this debate.
So:
What have people got to lose by trying this in an engine that is about to be rebuilt anyway?
I can think of only 2 reasons for a person NOT to answer: "Nothing":
- Financial Incentive.
- A losing of face or reputation.
Just an interesting hypothetical question:
What if someone here tries it (like that will ever happen!
) and it works for them..?
Then there would be 2 people to argue against and 'call' liars!?
Then perhaps 4, then 8....
WHAT! would you do if that happened!?