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Old 11-26-2008, 11:46 PM   #47 (permalink)
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If the overheating condition persists for a long period of time, or if the temperature soars high enough, the honeycomb itself may breakdown and melt forming a partial or complete obstruction and causing a sharp rise in backpressure.
Since we're talking about the mixture being slightly richer until the car warms up, maybe ten minutes or so, we aren't talking about an overheating condition that persists for a long period of time. We also aren't talking about really high temperatures unless we have something that's running extremely rich at very high torque/power outputs. For instance, this SAE paper shows via Figure 8 that in order for a cat to reach the damage threshold in terms of temperature it needs a 20% misfire rate, which corresponds to a A:F ratio of under 12:1, at 3000rpm and a fairly heavy load of ~4kg*m=~28ftlb. To put that into perspective a 2L engine from Hyundai when the paper was published makes ~120ftlb at 6000rpm, and ~60ftlbs@3000rpm, so at half load for a 2L engine, 3000 rpm, and a constant less than 12:1 A:F ratio, we can get into an area where the catalyst is at risk. That said, most people don't start up their car and use on average ~30+hp while keeping the engine cold enough to stay w/ the richer A:F mixture constantly. In other words the only way the cat would be at risk is w/ the engine running constantly richer, not just during the warm up.

So in order to see a risk for the cat we would need to run constantly at 12:1 and half of the engine's likely maximum speed and maximum torque. Since an engine run like this is going to warm up very quickly, I doubt we can stay at 12:1 and ~30hp long enough to do any damage to the cat. If we go richer than 12:1 we'll have something that will probably bog down and run poorly, which wouldn't be something a manufacturer would do. Furthermore, higher power outputs require higher speeds and the airflow under the car would help keep the cat cool. I'm betting that short of a constantly rich mixture manufacturers design prevents damage to the cat from being a problem even during WOT cold starts.

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