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Old 01-05-2009, 08:34 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
Yup. Today’s cars are better than those of the 1960s – a 2004-2006 GTO will run off and hide from the classic Goat and stop, and handle, and even get better mileage – but we were in the wilderness for a quarter of a century. “Sudden” is not a word that fits this process.
In all fairness, diesels have a thirty year tech head start compared to gassers in the 70s, now manufacturers just need to develop that tech. It's not even as if all manufacturers can't design an emissions system for their life. For instance VW managed to put out a cleaner, quieter, more powerful vehicle that was just as efficient as the older version. The 2003 has a relatively primitive emissions system w/ no DPF, and just a two way cat, while the 2008 version has a DPF and NOx storage catalyst.

The fact that a foreign auto company can do so much better at roughly the same price, boosting performance as well keeping emissions (well past truck requirements btw) down while FE is almost identical indicates that it isn't even diesel emissions tech that's behind the ball so much as domestic manufacturer's implementations of it.
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