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Old 04-02-2009, 09:39 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Luke,apology for late response and thanks for the data.Since many dragsters have so much power that they might go through 32-partial clutch engagements before actually reaching lock-up close to the finish line,to avoid wheelspin.----------- If that were the case for your car,then,perhaps you might have some power available for some additional mass,in the form of aero add-ons.------------------- Or,with substitution of carbon-fiber epoxy,you could add structure and simultaneously LOSE weight.------ If your clutch is fully engaged by the finish line,and you are not experiencing wheelspin,is the car still accelerating strongly? or is the power and gearing playing out?---------------------- With respect to the time/speed curve,some drag racers believe that they're at speed so briefly,that power-to-weight is the most important parameter and to hell with aerodynamics.-------------------------------------- I have very little data regarding dragsters and what I have is from the work of Don and Gerald Arivett who were developing a low-drag AA Fuel Dragster,fully-enclosed,with Cd0.20 ( Cd 0.18 @ 12-degrees yaw ).This was 1987,and at that time,no complete windtunnel tests had ever been performed on a dragster.--------------------------- They looked at Indy cars,since they were also open-chassis,so to speak,and the best of those cars had Cd 0.69,and they believed the best funnycar had Cd 0.60.---------------- The Arivett Bros. believed that their car,in 250-mph territory,would free up over one thousand horsepower.------------------------- So it looks like drag reduction does pay.--------------------------------------- Looking at Relentless,my thought is that (1) the integral nose/wing combination lowers the efficiency of the wing.My intuition tells me that a smaller front wing,moved forward,would provide as much downforce with less drag penalty,operating in "cleaner air". (2) The abrupt chopping-off at the back of the nose section is accompanied with complete flow separation and turbulent wake trailing back to the engine.(3) The engine itself poses a "torture-chamber" to the air,both in it's leading aspect and flow separation behind it.(4) The firewall of the altered's body is so sharp-edged,along with the windscreen frame,that I'm fairly confident that you've got complete flow separation at that point,with little recovery if any,which may be why you had to raise the drag chutes up so their droque-chutes could catch some "clean" air.(5) The rear fenders are sharp-edged enough that flow is torn up there,although it may not be a problem due to the separated flow ahead of them.(6) As mentioned by others,the tubing and padding for the roll-cage could be streamlined like aero struts on aircraft,along with the support structure for the rear wing.(7) The Goodyears,as exposed wheels,have been windtunnel-tested and themselves have a drag coefficient of 0.57.------------------------------------------- If any of these areas can be faired in,or enclosed without violating class restrictions,especially the rear wheels I think it would pay you dividends.The entire wheelie bar,if enclosed like a boat-tail,tapering to 50% of the cross-sectional area of the body ( like drag-bikes )with some fairings in front of the wrinkle-walls would dramatically reduce drag,but also might violate rulebook.(8) My final thought for now,is the rear wing.And you may have fully investigated this already but back in the 1980s,Joe Amato ran an Eldon Rasmussen "high-wing" spoiler which is credited for Joe's victory and 260+ mph runs.The wing was small,placed very high,and behind the car,operating in very clean air,with max downforce,minimum drag,and more "leverage".If Relentless is stable now,your starting from a good place.------------------------------ If you can get that windtunnel model going you could do a lot of "safe" shakedown runs without risk to your dad.I don't know if you'd have access to the MIRA facility.There is a Donald Campbell tunnel at London's Imperial College and at Southampton.Williams Grand Prix Engineering has it's own tunnel.If these can't help,perhaps another university with Mechanical Engineering Dept.and windtunnel might take your car on as a undergraduate or graduate project if you threw a few hundred Pounds their way.Keep us posted,and we'll keep thinking about Relentless.Race safe,Phil.



Phil,

Sorry for delay in replying…thanks for the post, made good reading!

One thing regarding our clutch, it does not use timers or anything, it’s a 2 plate pedal clutch from Crower. Due to the nature of the fuel and the blower we use, it will pull hard till about the 1/8th the the rest is down to taking fuel away to keep the AFR good I mean it still pulls but not a strongly. To give an idea, it will do 175+mph at the 1/8th but will only gain another 40ish mph to the finish line.

(1) I have thought about adding a slim wing to the front of the car, infront of the bodywork to smooth the whole front,

(2) What about making some angles pieces that sit to help with the bulkhead?

(3) I think for now with this body we will have to make the best of it….

(4) Good point, how can we help this?

(5) We need a wing tunnel I think

(6) We will definetly be making the wing struts from areo tube this year I hope.

(7) Would a canard style wing in front of the rear slicks help this???

(8) I remember the wing, everyone laughed till he went 260mph!

Thanks for the info I will try these and try to get the car in there.

Also thanks for the post, appreciate it
Luke

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