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Originally Posted by shovel
Point missed entirely.
Look, you have a computer right? Or do you just scream ONEZEROONEONEONEONEZEROZEROONEZEROONEZEROONEONEONE into the air to post here?
We all do stuff that's not natural. We all pollute. Obviously the guys of whom you complain would not be satisfied playing racing games on playstation because that would be a heck of a lot cheaper and yet they don't do it, right?
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The point isn't that no one pollutes, but that hybrids, even including recycling of the inert/valuable battery pack, pollute far less than a conventional vehicle of similar size, even including the extra Nickel in the pack, and definitely pollute less than something like an H3, that gets ~10-15mpg or whatever, and requires as much Nickel in it's overall construction.
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Originally Posted by shovel
If we work together to keep our collective behaviors from becoming wanton disregard, then we can preserve what nature is still there to preserve. If we point fingers around at who sucks worse, THAT is some six-year-old nonsense right there.
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I hate to break it to you, but we have to point fingers at who pollutes more if we want to base decisions on reducing pollution. If we don't really give a rat's ass and just want to "feel" green, then we can go buy funny shaped water bottles and call it a day, but if we actually want to do something we need to accurately assess the impacts of everything we do.
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Originally Posted by shovel
100% of all pollution and nature destruction is caused by humans, because by definition "nature" does not pollute itself, and because humans dictate ourselves as the only force that exists outside of nature. Since humans make pollution, more humans make more pollution - don't get mad at hummers, get mad at breeders.
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People in the developed world, such as NA, use ten times more energy than people in the undeveloped world, like Africa. That means that ~330 million people use and pollute as much as another ~3.3 billion people, half of the world's population. Simply reducing their energy consumption/pollution to half of what it is would be the same as removing nearly two billion people.
Given how excessive the lifestyle of most North American's is, and how easy it is to reduce energy consumption/pollution for a developed nation, I'd say that it's reasonable to drive a four door sedan instead of a H3, as opposed to blaming nearly two billion people for existing. Especially since the population growth rate is slowing, or at least was until Bush killed overseas aid for birth control/family planning.