845 miles on a tank of hydrogen

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

... the ever growing global demand.

How could we know if the global demand will be ever growing. Now scientists seem to be saying that global population is expected to start dropping. Less people could mean less energy required.

[redpoint5]

Based on nothing but my hunch, I expect global population to decline within my lifetime due to non-violent factors.

Humanity will consume whatever energy we can get our hands on though; especially once real autonomy gets going full steam.

[Hersbird]

Population doesn't have to grow at all, but billions of people living without all the amenities found in "western" civilization will sooner or later all achieve a similar standard we hold today. Cars, houses, AC, heat, lights, pumps, pavement, highways, etc, etc. Just like we live better than our ancestors 100 years ago, they will too. The more it happens, the less likely large scale war is as well. People with something to lose are more peaceful than people with nothing to lose.

[LouMan]

Best I was able to get on my 2015 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid was 825 miles on a tank.

[Piotrsko]

Used to break 800 in my Golf before it was neutered.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

Population doesn't have to grow at all, but billions of people living without all the amenities found in "western" civilization will sooner or later all achieve a similar standard we hold today. Cars, houses, AC, heat, lights, pumps, pavement, highways, etc, etc. Just like we live better than our ancestors 100 years ago, they will too. The more it happens, the less likely large scale war is as well. People with something to lose are more peaceful than people with nothing to lose.

Besides a handful of self-proclaimed "intellectuals", the average Joe always wants comfort, and could really care less about how much carbon emissions would be tied to his usage of an air conditioner for instance.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

Population doesn't have to grow at all, but billions of people living without all the amenities found in "western" civilization will sooner or later all achieve a similar standard we hold today.

If you look at it from the right angle 'Western_Civilization' is crude and wasteful. If they can become ever more successful for more days forward with less input, then good on them.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by freebeard

If you look at it from the right angle 'Western_Civilization' is crude and wasteful. If they can become ever more successful for more days forward with less input, then good on them.

Your wasteful is someone else's comfort level. But I'm not even going that far. Just fresh water supply, clean waste water, basic heating and cooling, and transportation to billions living with almost zero power usage. It will happen faster than people stop having kids across the world. This also will lead to fewer and fewer wars which leads to people living longer and using more power too.

[Isaac Zachary]

Maybe. On the other hand who knows what the future will actually bring. One third of millenials think the world is flat. What's next? Humankind might follow the way of the lemming.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

clean waste water

Some byproducts of waste water treatment can be used as agricultural fertilizer, enabling a lower cost for food and biofuels. Not to mention biomethane can also be obtained from waste water treatment.

transportation to billions living with almost zero power usage

And some cultural concerns make people feel "entitled" to own a conventional vehicle once they can afford it, even though sometimes a simpler and more affordable one could serve for the same purpose in a less "wasteful" way.