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Old 11-09-2015, 11:09 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Another 2 cents

I haven't read all the posts in the discussion (garnered a lot of good feedback), but I have skimmed them... So I know I'm not really saying anything new here.

It's been said you won't save money. That's true, IMO. Not unless you trade your car (and related expenses) for a bike and its... Then, maybe. But you've said it's partly emotional, and you just want to ride. Good. Healthy attitude to have about riding, IMHO.

It was also said (not by you) that you won't ride (most likely) more than 25% of the time. I don't know you, and how likely that is to be true, but I ride almost 100% of the time (to work, that is - other errands I'll often drive). I have two motorcycles right now - a 2002 BMW R1150RS which will pull about 45mpg on my commute, and a 2015 Zero SR, which will pull ~180Wh/mi (I.e., costs me about a buck to ride my 50 mile round trip commute. The Zero can do better, but I do most of the miles on the highway at ~65-80 mph)

Your concern about a charging location is valid. Sounds like your commute is really short - short enough that a Zero FX or maybe even an XU would serve you. Both have removable packs, so you can carry them in to charge them. I don't have any personal experience with them, but if cost were no object, I'd seriously consider adding the new FXS to my garage.

On an electric like mine, your 'fuel cost' would basically be nothing. Heck, if you charge it at work, it would literally be nothing! For me, it's $20 to $25 per month for about 1050 miles. About $0.02 cents per mile. My tires on the Zero needed replacing at 7500 miles. That cost me ~$250 doing my own wrenching. Probably closer to $500 if you rode it to a dealer and said "gimee tires". There's no oil to change... Brake pads, tires, flush the brake fluid if you think it needs it... Change the drive belt every 25,000 miles. My BMW is around $0.07 per mile, plus requires much more maintenance, though the tires last a bit longer (but cost more). It rides nicer, is ultimately faster and handles better at speed. Nicer when riding 2-up.

Oh, and your initial thought of what you want the bike to look like? I totally understand your perspective. I felt the same way when I started riding a while back. I didn't like the look of all the plastic, and longed for something that looked more like the way bikes used to look when I was a kid. Not seeing anything immediately similar, I found myself drawn to the cruisers. I made the mistake of buying a baby cruiser (Honda Shadow 600) which I outgrew in about 3 months. If I'd gone full size, I mighta stuck with them, but as it was, the first time a rode a BMW (similar to what I have now), I was blown away by how a motorcycle COULD feel. I never looked back. Someone posted on another forum something like, "They don't go, they don't stop, and they don't turn, but cruisers sure look nice." That's probably a bit unrealistic, but it's a valid viewpoint.

I'd suggest, if you don't want a sport bike because of the looks, at least take the time to try out a 'naked' or 'standard'. Most of the handling and performance of a sport bike, but with a more relaxed position, and less plastic. And with less chrome that just collects water spots! (I ride in the rain, quite frequently.) I find the sport tourers fun, but they may be a bit beyond what you want. Certainly beyond the need you describe.

I'll second some of the suggestions others have made - Kawasaki Ninja 250, Kawasaki KLR 650. Someone mentioned an Yamaha FZ1 earlier (I don't think it was a suggestion, just a comment made) - that's a good bike, but the FZ6 would get better mileage and be totally up to your needs. I really like Honda (had a Super Hawk for several years), but I'm not sure what their current/recent line up would offer you. I'm sure they have a few good options. The CB500's look worthwhile. Ditto the CBR300R or CB300F.

That's my 2 cents (per mile!)

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Old 11-10-2015, 10:29 AM   #72 (permalink)
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I'm really hung up on the tu250 for the looks and the fact that it seems people who ride them, love them. Kinda like the Geo Metro of the bike world? Either way, I'm going to try and find one over the winter and see what happens. If the weather starts getting warmer and my itch gets a little more unbearable I may just look for a ninja or Honda 250 but for now I have nothing but time to keep looking and saving my pennies.
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Would you ever consider a scooter with an aerodynamic fairing?
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A full fairing 50cc scooter would do highway speed if built right. I have a 1988 Honda Elite that may get a body someday. I would suggest something with larger tires than 10" dia.
I might have room on this one to fit larger wheels.
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Would you ever consider a scooter with an aerodynamic fairing?
Not really. Like I've said, this idea is an economical approach to an emotional purchase. As a kid looking at motorcycles on the road next to the car, I was never interested in the scooters. I really liked Harley's as a kid but I've since learned they are not all they are cracked up to be and really like the looks of the old standards. Adding new tech and reliability makes the tu250 an ideal choice for me.
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Like I've said, this idea is an economical approach to an emotional purchase. As a kid looking at motorcycles on the road next to the car, I was never interested in the scooters.
Then you have really no choice but a 250cc motorcycle. A lower-displacement one could eventually provide a suitable performance for your commuting needs with a marginal increase to fuel-efficiency (if any), while a bigger one would be most likely overkill.
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Ok friends, some updates in the search for a motorcycle. At my new job, one of the guys has a 1982 Honda CM400t. I know it's a 400 and not a 250, but he says he was riding it to class every day last semester to school and it has 2 new tires on it. Otherwise unmolested bike that he seems to have taken care of and wants to sell it for $600 and get a bigger bike.

What do you all think of a bike like this? What kind of routein and scheduled maintenance do these engines require along the lines of valve adjustments and similar jobs?

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Can't go wrong at that price if it runs good.
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Two issues.

Is it an automatic?

Second is the problem with the 450 Rebel, which uses the same basic engine (I think).

To replace the starter clutch requires removing the engine and splitting the cases.

I could be wrong on the starter issue and as Sendler posted, for that price can you really go wrong? If the starter fails, sell or part out the bike, but if it's the auto transmission you can't push start it, if the starter drive fails.

A manual 400 cc bike should be good for over 60 mpg. The auto version will barely beat your cars MPG.

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He said it's a proper manual. After January I'll be taking into account what my Monte Carlo needs in terms of little parts and odds and ends I haven't thought of yet. Then, if it's not a lot of money, and the wife will let me, I'll test ride the bike and buy it. Like you guys said, $600 is a hard price to turn down lol

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