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MetroMPG 11-30-2009 11:20 AM

2011 Chevy Cruze Eco / XFE will have 1.4 turbo, 42 mpg (US) hwy rating
 
GM is saying there will be an XFE-equivalent in the new Cruze (the Cobalt's replacement):

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....1259492926.jpg
source: ABG

Quote:

It is expected to deliver segment-leading fuel economy with a new Ecotec 1.4L I-4 turbo with variable valve timing including up to 40 mpg on the highway with a high-efficiency model.
All Cruze models will get 6 speeds, both automatics and manuals.

For comparison, the current Cobalt XFE is rated 37 mpg highway.

Full press release: LA 2009: Chevrolet finally unveils the U.S.-market production 40 mpg 2011 Cruze — Autoblog Green

PaleMelanesian 11-30-2009 11:51 AM

Wha? 1.4L engine vs 2.2 and it only gets 3 mpg better?

tjts1 11-30-2009 12:12 PM

Reducing engine size doesn't just magically improve fuel economy. You still need to expend energy to move the same mass. This turbo 1.4 sounds very promising. I hope they come out with a wagon version. If its rated at 40mpg by the EPA, we should be able to beat that number with some careful driving. 45 or 50mpg isn't inconceivable.

cfg83 11-30-2009 12:14 PM

MetroMPG -

Thanks for the URL. I like to look for the "hidden" grill blocks on new car grills :

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-cf...rill-block.jpg

It looks like it's not symmetrical to me. It's a little more open to the lower-right of the Chevy badge. Makes me want to look under the hood to see if there is a clue in the engine layout. The grill above the Chevy badge looks open to me as well.

Volt and Cruze comparison shot :

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-cf...volt-cruze.jpg


CarloSW2

MadisonMPG 11-30-2009 12:26 PM

Cool, I still think passenger side mirror delete would be a good idea.

tjts1 11-30-2009 01:07 PM

It seems like the US market cruze sits about an inch higher than the same car sold in other markets.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....1259492926.jpg

http://www.blog.automotiveaddicts.co...cruze-euro.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadisonMPG (Post 142736)
Cool, I still think passenger side mirror delete would be a good idea.

I think all outside mirrors on new cars should be replaced by rear view cameras. The technology is so cheap and common now. Most new luxury cars have rear view camera. The regulation requiring outside mirrors should be changed to allow side view cameras from the factory.

NeilBlanchard 11-30-2009 01:15 PM

Apparently, the Cruze weighs about 3,100 pounds! Yikes! Why are cars so heavy?

tjts1 11-30-2009 01:25 PM

Because death by car crash sucks and even the 'compact' cars of today are as big as the midsized cars of 10 years ago.

PaleMelanesian 11-30-2009 01:28 PM

And yet somehow the new Insight, with batteries included, weighs 2700 lb and gets top crash safety scores. There's more to the story.

tjts1 11-30-2009 01:57 PM

The insight is still a real compact.

PaleMelanesian 11-30-2009 02:07 PM

Fine then. GM specifically lists the Honda Civic as a competitor. The 2010 Civic EX-L AT (heaviest of all the civic trims): 2784 lb. It also scores highly for crash safety.

NeilBlanchard 11-30-2009 03:14 PM

Hi,

The Cobalt XFE weighs 2780 lbs.

The Smart car rates very high for crash worthiness and it weighs well under a ton. Ditto for the Toyota iQ.

The Scion xD weighs less than 2,400 pounds, and is very crash worthy.

tjts1 11-30-2009 04:09 PM

Ok but all of those are compacts and subcompacts. You're missing half of the argument.
Quote:

Because death by car crash sucks and even the 'compact' cars of today are as big as the midsized cars of 10 years ago.
I don't see what the issue is here. The Chevy Cruze weighs 2832 lb. Hardly out of the ordinary for its competitors.
http://www.chevrolet.co.uk/cars/cruz...ical-data.html

The compact cars of 10 years ago were in the 2000-2500lb range. The cars built today are far more survivable in every kind of accident. Its not surprising that weight has gone up by a few hundred pounds.
Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard (Post 142793)
The Scion xD weighs less than 2,400 pounds, and is very crash worthy.

More like 2624 lbs for a subcompact. Not exactly a lightweight.

PaleMelanesian 11-30-2009 05:14 PM

... and the Cruze is not a compact? Chevy themselves are comparing it to Civic and Corolla, so how are those not a valid comparison?

tjts1 11-30-2009 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian (Post 142824)
... and the Cruze is not a compact? Chevy themselves are comparing it to Civic and Corolla, so how are those not a valid comparison?

:confused:

Both of those cars put on many hundreds of pounds over the last 2 or 3 generations. They also grew in size substantially. They are all of similar size and weight as the Cruze. The cruze is certainly not a subcompact like the xd. Whats your point exactly?

PaleMelanesian 11-30-2009 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 142808)
Ok but all of those are compacts and subcompacts. You're missing half of the argument.

I'm questioning your objection. The Cruze is a compact. So are some of the cars we're listing. I'll grant you that some are smaller - that's why I brought in the 2010 Civic, which Chevrolet themselves lists as a competitor to the Cruze. How is the Cruze so much heavier than its direct competitors? That's my question.

cfg83 11-30-2009 06:48 PM

NeilBlanchard -

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard (Post 142793)
Hi,

The Cobalt XFE weighs 2780 lbs.

The Smart car rates very high for crash worthiness and it weighs well under a ton. Ditto for the Toyota iQ.

The Scion xD weighs less than 2,400 pounds, and is very crash worthy.

Code:

Year Make      Model    Weight (lbs)  Length"  Width" Height"
2009  Honda    Civic    2630~2760    177      69    57
2009  Toyota    Corolla  2822          179      69    59
2009? Chevrolet Cruze    2832          181      70    58

The Civic wins the battle of the scales, but not by much.

CarloSW2

tjts1 11-30-2009 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaleMelanesian (Post 142841)
How is the Cruze so much heavier than its direct competitors? That's my question.

I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. As previously mentioned several times, the weight of the Cruze is very comperable with every other compact car out there, including the Civic. I was just pointing out that compact cars of today are much bigger and heavier than what we considered compact 10 or 15 years ago. They are also much safer.

cfg83 11-30-2009 09:17 PM

tjts1 -

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 142748)
It seems like the US market cruze sits about an inch higher than the same car sold in other markets.

...

http://www.blog.automotiveaddicts.co...cruze-euro.jpg

...

That image may be enhanced. When I went to the UK site, the "Gallery" had lots of enhanced photos that looked like the above picture. But when I went to the Configurator, I saw this :

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-cf...2-uk-cruze.jpg

That looks pretty much like the US version.

CarloSW2

tjts1 11-30-2009 10:00 PM

I don't know. It looks lower to me. Maybe its an optional suspension.

US
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....1259492988.jpg

Europe
http://www.autoweek.com/storyimage/C...-904299981.jpg

I'm sure somebody will be selling lowering springs for it in no time if they don't already.

cfg83 11-30-2009 10:07 PM

tjts1 -

Ok, that's a much better picture. You're right, it looks a lot lower. Maybe the gravity is lower in the USA, :D .

CarloSW2

NeilBlanchard 11-30-2009 11:44 PM

I think that all of these cars are too heavy. They need to do chassis like this:
BlueScope Steel Australia: Ultra Light Steel Auto Body (ULSAB) Project

Frank Lee 12-01-2009 12:27 AM

Cars have gotten fat.

If drivers would drive instead of _______ some of that crash equipment could be ****canned. And of course the a/c, power steering, a/t, ABS, etc.

RobertSmalls 12-01-2009 06:13 AM

I don't want to like ABS, but it did save my bacon the other day, when I needed to steer whilst panic stopping. There was a disabled moron who decided to move to the left side of an off-ramp, right at the apex of the turn.

PaleMelanesian 12-01-2009 09:05 AM

I was working off wrong information as to the Cruze's weight. I still think it's too fat, but comparable to its peers. I think they are all to fat and heavy.

gone-ot 12-01-2009 08:46 PM

...I hate to say it, but the hoodline sure looks like the 2009-2010 Pontiac Vibe, nee Toyota Matrix!

...but, I like it! Especially the 6sp trannies and turbo-engine!

MetroMPG 12-01-2009 09:15 PM

Added a "plus" sign to the title. Car and Driver is saying "40+" mpg, not "40". Not sure whose press release they're interpreting, but the rumours are floating around out there that it may be low-40's.

gone-ot 12-01-2009 09:25 PM

...from Edmunds INSIDE LINE article: "...The Cruze weighs 2,844 pounds with the manual transmission and 2,899 pounds with the auto, so both are lighter than the current 2,991-pound Cobalt."

tjts1 12-02-2009 11:35 AM

Some closeup pics of the US spec Cruze at the LA auto show.
La 2009 2011 Chevrolet Cruze — Autoblog
The interior looks cheap and flimsy to me but nowhere near as bad as the cobalt.

cfg83 12-02-2009 12:58 PM

tjts1 -

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 143304)
Some closeup pics of the US spec Cruze at the LA auto show.
La 2009 2011 Chevrolet Cruze — Autoblog
The interior looks cheap and flimsy to me but nowhere near as bad as the cobalt.

That steering wheel is definitely inspired by 2009 Civics.

CarloSW2

MetroMPG 12-09-2009 06:06 PM

More details leaking out about the Cruze XFE:

Quote:

Details on the high-efficiency Cruze version are scarce, but Chevrolet says it will have some of the same provisions as the Cobalt XFE, and possibly some aerodynamic treatments. A six-speed stick shift will be required
Source.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think GM did anything in the aero department to the Cobalt XFE.

It was all gearing, LRR tires & computer tweaking.

gone-ot 12-09-2009 06:44 PM

...and weight-reduction--they left out the spare tire, you have to BUY that extra$$$!

tjts1 12-09-2009 07:53 PM

Spare tire is kind of an outdated concept. I haven't carried one of years.

gone-ot 12-09-2009 08:13 PM

...you must either (a) like hiking along the interstate or (b) trust people to pickup hitch-hikers, or (c) have a AAA membership.

...which?

cfg83 12-09-2009 08:26 PM

MetroMPG -

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 146179)
...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think GM did anything in the aero department to the Cobalt XFE.

It was all gearing, LRR tires & computer tweaking.

Yes, that is my understanding as well.

CarloSW2

99LeCouch 12-09-2009 08:30 PM

Interesting. That turbo and stick-shift match very nicely with what I want in my next car. And $18k for a well-equipped fuel-sipper is an okay price for the car you're getting.

cfg83 12-09-2009 08:37 PM

MetroMPG -

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 146179)
More details leaking out about the Cruze XFE:

Source.

...

More from that article :

Quote:

... In 2009, more than 92 percent of American car buyers have chosen automatic transmissions over manuals ...

The Ford Fiesta, which hits dealerships in spring 2010, is a similar story. The 40-mpg rating comes from a $795 Super Fuel Economy Package, which adds some aerodynamic treatments among other provisions not yet announced. Although the Fiesta S sedan starts at $13,320, Super Fuel Economy is offered on the SE trim level, which starts at $14,320. SFE requires the optional six-speed automatic transmission, which adds $1,070. So in the Fiesta, 40 mpg highway comes — with no additional options — at a minimum price of $16,860, including the destination charge. The upside? It has the automatic transmission.

I don't mind that the "SFE" package requires paying more money. I have no problem with paying more for an option that is not in the "mindset" of a majority of car buyers. The car company is not able to absorb the cost as well on an SFE, so it should cost more.

However, I do mind that the Fiesta SFE "requires" an automatic. At least you should be able to purchase the aero-parts seperately.

CarloSW2

gone-ot 12-09-2009 08:42 PM

...they "sell" more automatics because the dealers (and Detroit) will only "stock" automatics!

...when I wanted a 2009 Pontiac G5 XFE the two local dealerships didn't have any and wouldn't be ordering any because they were "manuals"...only way I could "see" one was order it. They simply had NO interest in having ANY manual transmission cars on hand.

...and that was in January/February, BEFORE the end of Pontiac was announced.

tjts1 12-09-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Tele man (Post 146225)
(c) have a AAA membership.
...which?

+ (d)
http://www.fixaflat.com/Images/FAF_family2.jpg

+(e)
http://www.acknowledge.com/tractor/L...irePlugKit.jpg

I've never had to call AAA for a flat tire. I can take care of it long before the truck driver gets there.

Back on topic, is there any chance we're going to see a wagon version of the cruze? GM hinted they're going to bring the Regal wagon to the US.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....hevy-cruze.jpg

gone-ot 12-09-2009 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 146246)
Don't leave home without it :thumbup:

...well, "...you're a better man than I, Gunga Din!" because I got "burned" against do-it-yourself tire-inflation stuff with my AAR 'Cuda; it had a "collapsable" deflated tire and a "gas can." But after two or three attempts (Arizona heat "empties" gas cans!), I gave up and bought a "real" tire!

...back on subject: maybe something to replace the defunct Pontiac Vibe?


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