2013 Diesel Cruze?
 

Now this could be interesting! I'm looking forward to seeing more about it...

Chevy Cruze Diesel

Sorry if it's a repost - didn't see it elsewhere.

Now thats what I'm talking about! It's about time that the big boys in Detroit woke up. I'm really glad to hear that they will most likely be selecting a proven power plant...so this doesn't end up blowing up in their faces (350 diesel anyone?).
If it ever does show up here, and its with a proven motor I would love to trade in the Jetta for a Chevrolet with similiar mileage.

...which will it be? A 2013 model available in 2013, or a 2014 model available in 2013?

GM has been running really good diesels in their overseas market cars for a long time. The Cruze is a rebadged, federalized Euro car that has been out for a while. Guess folks are making the big boys bring what should have been here years ago.

do not buy 1st generation GM / Korean cars
 

10% more expensive fuel, expensive engine, expensive emissions control, low rev limit, GM build quality.

pass
And by the same token, do not buy cars with VW complexity and Mexican build quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lsEx_-b_o0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De4OG8uLuxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vUVy69xRT0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDWDgbH_n9E

bio diesel and incorrect oil cause many problems
 

The biggest issue i see with diesel engines in US is fuel prices are a lot higher and availability is not as good .
hmm, they claiming 41 mpg , but the gas cruze eco does 42mpg AFAIK .
So I think it would need to be like somewhere in 42+ -45mpg range to make it worth while .

I'll believe it when I see it
 

Maybe I'm just cynical, but I'll believe it when I see it. I've just been disappointed with diesel promises too many times. Just like a few years ago when we were promised 1/2 ton diesel pickups in 2010 & 2011 & 2012...

By GM:
2012 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Duramax diesel
GM announces all-new 4.5L Duramax V8 diesel

and Ford:
Spy photos: First Shots of 2010 Ford F-150 With Diesel Engine
Ford to Offer Diesel F-150 - KickingTires

and Chrysler:
2011 Dodge Ram Diesel Coming? | Tundra Headquarters
4.2L Cummins V-6 Diesel

Yeah, there's just no point to diesel engines in the US especially considering how efficient the latest gasoline engines are. Hybrids are a lot more practical.

...in USA, diesel fuel currently costs about 10-15% more than gasoline per gallon.

...in europe, however, it's the other way around, with gasoline costing LOTs more.

...I can remember not too long ago when diesel was like 89.9¢ to gasolines $1.249 price. That ratio 'flipped' after the last Oil Embargo...and, ever since, diesel fuel has been on the high-$ide, cost-wise.

...so-o-o-o, unless that diesel engine delivers 15% (or more) better fuel economy, it's not going to be a co$t effective vehicle, which (using the ECO Cruze FE as reference) means it had better yield at least 48-50 mpg or it'll become just another GM diesel-soaked albatross!

right, in Europe its the opposite , diesel is everywhere and with different grades too .
I was in Germany back around 2005 and rented a VW stationwagen ,it had if memory right 2.0TDI . I was very impressed with the car, quite, powerful (at least up to around 4k rpm) and had 6 speed manual .I forgot what mpg we got but remember high 30"s showing in the dash display .

If they quit messing around and get the calibration that yields 55 mpg or better, I could see the diesel doing well. But they are going to neuter that sucker.

The tax the !@#$% out of diesel now. BUT since the Cruze is the best selling car... I guess they see this as an opportunity to put a diesel in it and "see" what happens. I suspect they won't be able to keep them on the dealer lots. I also suspect that it could hit 50+ depending on the fuel programming and tranny brains. We'll see how much $$$$ they tack on for the diesel option.

By daughter just bought a 2011 Cruze. She loves it. Must appeal to the kids pretty well.

Just to follow up on my last post. The only 1/2-ton diesel project I'm aware of that hasn't been canceled is by Nissan, which is looking at a 2.8-liter 4-cylinder Cummins. The goal is to get an EPA rating of 28 mpg (combined):

Cummins developing 28-mpg 2.8-liter 4-cylinder diesel for Nissan Titan — Autoblog Green

GM-India just launched their "BEAT" vehicle with a 1.0L turbo diesel engine.

Just imagine a one-liter soda bottle powering that car!

They've had half ton GM and Ford diesels in South America for years, along with the mini pickups. Just can't get them here.

:mad:

I wouldn't call that 'powering' exactly.
:D

Old Tele man -

Me caveman, me not understand. Is soda-bottle a euphemism for diesel?

CarloSW2

...both only have one LITER volumes of fizz.

...as in fizzle.

Put one liter bottle in engine compartment.

Compare size to engine's swept volume.

DING!

<lightbulb shines above head>

Ok, so they are saying highway mpg would be about the same but do diesels get any better city mpg?

Does the diesel come with the Eco package, non Eco Cruze's are rated at 36mpg w/1.4 or 35 with 1.8, so 41mpg diesel is 14% better.

roosterk0031 -

Hmmmmm, at first I thought that sounds like the difference in energy content, since diesel has about 16% more BTU per gallon than gasoline :

Diesel Vs. Gasoline Fuel Economy | eHow.com
But now I think I am wrong. I think that's *only* relevant if the engines are the same displacement.

CarloSW2

28/42 mpg = 2011 Cruze Eco with 6-speed manual.
26/37 mpg = 2011 Cruze Eco with 6-speed automatic.

28/42 mpg = 2012 Cruse Eco with 6-speed manual.
28/39 mpg = 2012 Cruze Eco with 6-speed automatic.

...the bump-up in mpg occurs only for the Eco and LTZ with 6-speed automatic transmissions because their axle ratios have been reduced from 3.87:1 down to 3.53:1 for better (~+5%) milage.

...this new 3.53:1 axle is also optional on the 2LT with the 6-speed automatic transmission.

Just out of curiosity and because I have no plans on trading in my Cobalt, is the new Cruze platform motor and components drop in replacements in a Cobalt? I know GM loves to keep XMSN and other items standard for 10+ years at a time.

The thing that troubles me is that the final drive on the Cruze actually looks lower than my Cobalt with a 5sp, is this correct? I would like to steel a junkyard 6 cruze xmsn but can't justify it if
1. it won't fit
2. Its lower geared.

I also wonder on Aero CD/CDA Cruze Vrs Cobalt, both are rather poor from what I remember.

I had the same thoughs. I don't think they would be a simple drop in fit since the Cruze is built of a pre existing Euro platfom.

Now that doesn't mean that it isn't possible. Another thing is the 1.4 turbo and 6 speed should be in the Aveo replacement which is the Sonic if I remember correctly.
I'd hold off to see who puts in the lowest gear ratios in, also the Sonic should be a good $5,000 cheaper new so a junkyard find a few years down the road shouldn't kill you.

Also I think the Cobalt (two door) is 2 or 3 hundred pounds lighter then the Cruze so even if CD is the same the lighter weight should give you better gas milage.

I would really be interested if they brought more diesels across the ocean to here, but the government would probably just ruin them. I mean look at the newer VW Diesels, they still get decent mileage but there is a considerable difference compared to the older models of the same car. A hybrid diesel would be interesting but it would be complicated to have it work like the prius hybrid. It would have to be more like the honda CRZ. The difference is that in the prius the engine shuts off for coasting but in the CRZ both motor and engine are always on helping each other. Plus like others said to justify the diesel the mileage would have to be marginally better than similar sized gasoline cars.

...bet it's because of the "worm" the Mexicans put in the Gas Tank of those models (wink,wink)!

...a diesel "wooly" worm.

Here is a little bit more info on the diesel cruze... not much though. Sounds like they won't be going for the ultimate mileage machine here, but more of a 'semi-sporty yet thrifty at the pump' kind of car.

2014 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel: More Details Released By GM

...sounds as though GM is making a "back-handed" approach in using the Eco-diesel as it's "sporty" engine for the Cruze, rather than as it's 'High-Milage' "fuel economy" vehicle?!?

If car makers really cared about economy and efficiency, we'd be driving a car that looks like the AERO template with an electric drive train.

A turbodiesel engine has quite a bit of low-end torque, hence the "sportiness". That's not necessarily contradictory to good fuel economy. In fact, low rpm & high torque generally results in good fuel economy.

The 2011 VW Jetta TDI has an EPA rated highway mpg of 42 with 236 ft-lbs or torque. A 2012 Toyota Yaris has 92 ft-lbs of torque and gets only 38 highway mpg.

Yep, make em' all low rpm high torque, tall gearing and get rid of the turbo.
My 85 Jetta diesel got 50 in town and 60 on the highway, which could have been more with taller gearing. Had all of 40 HP!

The diesel Cruze comes in at about 50mpg US per the reports, which isn't too bad, I would rather see it higher still, I can peak 50mpg summer on a gasser Cobalt, not sure what a diesel would allow but might be interesting.

I hope they offer the diesel in an ECO varient.

Something I think that has been lost is the fact that a GDI and TDI engine are nearly identical and all the old new reports on them stated they were to be multifuel because of the infinate possibilities with the timing of the fuel injection and spark. Theoretically a GDI engine could run 18:1 compression and still run on 87 octain pump

The volt in fact was to be multifuel capable (aka diesel, gas, e85,lpg, CNG)
its unfortunate that didn't materialize because the volt would be much more interesting as a bi or tri fuel varient.

Being able to run both gas and diesel sounds good but, unfortunately, it often doesn't materialize too well. Just look at GM's 350 experiment. That's not saying it can't be done. I'm just saying it needs to be done properly and it often isn't. I think that's particularly true when a gasoline (spark-ignited) engine has been "adapted" to diesel. From what I've seen the diesels that have been adapted to spark-ignited fare much better. I know Cummins as well as Caterpillar at others have spark-ignited natural gas verisons of many of thier diesel engines that do quite well.

Multifuel engines tend not to be optimized for any fuel, so run less efficiently than would be possible on all fuels. Every engine is a compromise - imaging having to include all compromises, and having to comply to all emission standards.

Multifuel is an asset when the supply of fuel can be an issue - i.e. in military situations or extremely remote areas - but it's just not worth it on vehicles for everyday use.

...but, with todays' use of computer-controlled EVERYTHING in the engine, either (a) multiple table-mappings or (b) field-reprogramming should solve or at least mitigate the problem of non-optimization to a BIG degree.

The last big optimizations left for ICE engines to allow multifuel use (and general higher efficiency) are variable compression ratio and electronically actuated valves. If we can get those two things built into an engine it would be incredibly flexible and efficient. Until then I agree with Euromodder, you can't design an engine to run on multiple fuels and do them all efficiently.

I disagree, we already can burn LPG, CNG & gasoline efficiently in the same engine. Diesel & E85 would just be icing on the cake.