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GK13 04-20-2016 06:44 PM

2016 Corolla LE ECO
 
I just got the car and I love it. CVT transmission and EPA highway of 42. I'm wanting an average of 50 mpg as my goal. I'm not sure how to Eco mod it in any way. Idk anything about lean burn or what aero dynamic thing I could do to it. It did come stock with the belly pans all under it. Really nicely done I must say. I was thinking of doing some sort of cam back but idk how I could do it and not effect my rear view mirror's view angles. I did take the resonator off the air box and what a pain that was to get off. I can actually hear the engine now and it goes up hills easier for some reason compaired to before on the same road with cruise control on. Any ideas with explanation for the noob would be more than appreciated.

GK13 04-20-2016 08:02 PM

Done all that but the grill block. Is the grill block to raise engine temp or to help aero dynamic?

GK13 04-20-2016 08:32 PM

Ok. Will do. I can probably work something out with some coroplast or abs sheets. I have a cnc cutter that can precisely cut it for me. Anything else I should try? I'm too chicken to try the engine off coasting but I put it in neutral going down hill and when I anticipate a stop. That does help some. I keep the tires at sidewall max of 51 psi. I keep the cruise control at 60 mph on the highway and at 40 mph on surface streets. I'm really looking for aero mods or engine mods or even computer mods to help the mpg.

UltArc 04-20-2016 09:11 PM

We've got some modifications you can do here...

65+ Vehicle modifications for better fuel economy - EcoModder.com

And some tips here...

100+ Hypermiling / ecodriving tips & tactics for better mpg - EcoModder.com

But the utmost important is real instrumentation. I prefer the Scan Gauge (which can be had here, for a discount) or the Ultra Gauge. I use both, and just for readouts, the UG is better- but for testing, and all around use, I love the SG.

When you have one of those, you can see what is better. For example, it may be better to keep in gear and DFCO than to use Neutral. You'll have to test and see! :)

GK13 04-20-2016 09:55 PM

My car actually has the instrumentation built into it and I've tested it against other plug in gauges and they're accurate enough for me. It has instant and then I go for the odometer and how many gallons for the tank average and it has built in average mpg. It even saves per every few minutes to show a graph of my driving for the time the ignition is on and off. Quite cool I must say. I've read through those and I've applied what I think I can from them. I'm just trying to see what a cam back would require to be effective and would it block my line of sight.

Baltothewolf 04-20-2016 10:05 PM

I would not recommend turning off the engine while rolling on a CVT transmission, you will burn it up. Same goes for pulling it out of gear when rolling and putting it back in gear. Very stressful on the entire drive train.

GK13 04-20-2016 10:31 PM

It seems to handle it fine. It is covered in the warranty so I'm too worried about that. It felt more stressful when I would pull my Scion tC out of gear and put it back in. That was a 6 speed full gear transmission.

UltArc 04-20-2016 11:09 PM

Ah, well sounds like you're all set! Best of luck! :)

serialk11r 04-21-2016 01:46 AM

Your Valvematic engine probably has one of the lowest idle fuel consumption of almost any car out there, comparable to a 1L Geo Metro or Insight (if you would kindly buy a 10 dollar OBDII bluetooth adapter and measure for us that would be nice :) ), try leaving it in neutral while you coast.

I would like to drive a Scion iM (has a 6 speed manual with the 2ZR-FAE engine) to see what the high tech valvetrain is like.

GK13 04-21-2016 02:02 AM

I'll look into that. I've wanted to get one of those but I'm not sure what app would give reliable data or which device would either. I have been keeping it in neutral when I coast. If I don't it wants to try and down shift and slows me down with light engine braking. Sport mode has medium engine braking and then there's a B mode that has the heaviest engine braking of all and it's kinda scary when it kicks in if you're not expecting it. It's kinda compareable to my Burgman 650 scooter in the heavy engine braking. It coasts farther than the Scion tC did in neutral too. I was thinking about trying to set the idle to idle lower like at 800 or 750 instead of 1000 like it wants to. I was also thinking of putting a K&N drop in filter in it too. I did that with my Scion tC and it did help for 1 or 2 mpg and I could actually hear the engine. Just taking the air resonator off the air intake helped the mpg a ton and I can hear the engine slightly compaired to none. Could this engine be tuned to lean burn? Could that hurt the engine lowering the idle or tuning it to burn lean?

serialk11r 04-21-2016 05:18 AM

None of the mods you describe will be easy, besides the K&N filter, which probably won't do anything.

The one thing that some ecomodders do that would NOT work on your engine would be a hot air intake, because you have no throttling losses, so cold air is best.

Toyota ECUs are notoriously difficult to crack, and even if you can get in, it would be hard to find how to control the idle speed while the car is moving.

I would check under the hood and see how many wires are coming out of your O2 sensor. If there are 5 wires on each sensor, you're in trouble. If you have 4, you have to replace all the sensors with wideband O2 sensors, and use an emulator like the Innovate LC1 to trick the ECU into thinking it's running at stoichiometric when it's actually running lean, but you can only lean it out a little bit with this trick. However with 3 O2 sensors you'd be looking at something like 700 bucks for this mod.

Since your engine is already so efficient, I would just forget about modifying it. Get your pulse and glide technique down, do what you can to lighten and streamline the car, and call it a day.

The other things you can do are going to be very involved, like putting synchronous rectifiers into the alternator, an electric water pump, etc.

GK13 04-21-2016 05:25 AM

Ok. I have taken out the spare tire and Jack since I have good roadside assistance. Not sure how else to reasonably lighten it. And I have no idea how to streamline it. And why would a cold air intake help me and not others? I thought I'd want a hot air intake or a short ram if anything? It's taking in engine air that's presumably warm since I took the resonator off that went down the side of the engine. That did surprisingly help it.

GK13 04-22-2016 12:32 AM

Any reason the warm air isn't good for my car like you're saying? Idk why a cold air intake would help me and no one else.

serialk11r 04-22-2016 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GK13 (Post 512325)
Any reason the warm air isn't good for my car like you're saying? Idk why a cold air intake would help me and no one else.

Well, the default air intake is a cold one. You have to intentionally change something to get a warm air intake.

The reason it won't help you is because your engine does not use the throttle plate. Instead, the valve lift is reduced to something like 1mm and very short duration, closing the valve very early. What that does is trap a tiny amount of air in the cylinder, and then the piston goes down and draws a vacuum against the closed valves, and then on the way back up the piston regains all of the energy used to create the vacuum. This kind of setup should use something like 50% less fuel while idling.

Hot air intakes reduce the density of the air in order to open the throttle further, but hot air is worse for thermal efficiency when you exclude the pumping work part of the cycle.

Your car is very optimized for fuel efficiency; it has a CVT, underbody panels, and Valvematic. There's not much more fuel economy to be had. You can make a trunk lid spoiler, fill in some more gaps in the underbody, cover the wheels, and then the rest is going to be expensive weight reduction.

Underbody could still use some work:
http://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages...2234_16695.png

The cheapest weight reduction you can find is probably replacing the battery with a smaller AGM battery. You can probably lose 15 pounds that way for under 100 bucks, but your battery might accidentally go dead sooner. Another cheap weight reduction you can do is get an aftermarket muffler, and then have it welded in place of the stock muffler. I did this for 150 bucks using a fairly quiet 70 dollar Magnaflow stainless steel muffler and saved 20 pounds on my FRS.

The cheapest engine efficiency improvement you can find is probably a bigger water pump pulley. I'm not sure if this will fit, it might: MWR Underdrive Pulley – Lotus/Toyota 2ZZ Water Pump | Monkeywrench Racing

You might be able to do it cheaper if you take the pulley off yourself, and somehow increase its diameter. It runs off the smooth side of the belt which makes this way easier. If you can figure out a way to add a little material to the outside, that would get you a slightly slower spinning water pump that would save a tiny bit of power.

The only thing that will have significant improvements is spoofing the car into running lean like I mentioned, but that will be quite expensive.

GK13 04-22-2016 12:57 PM

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Thank you so much for making that make sense to me!! I appreciate it so much. I'll probably add to the underbody panels now that I see better what is actually there. I would like to do a cat back exhaust 1. for sound and 2. for the weight reduction.

I did order the K&N drop in filter but should I have actually gotten the real cold air intake that goes down the front wheel well? Or maybe the short ram intake? Or do you think the drop in filter in the standard airbox without the resonator would be enough?

That pulley looks like something I can do pretty easy. Would doing the altanator pulley be worth it too?

I did find one spoiler that looks good and would be really the only spoiler I'd like to have on it. I have the stock factory little lip spoiler on it and I'm sure that's just for looks. How does the spoiler help it though? I always thought that they were really just for looks under 100 mph?

serialk11r 04-24-2016 08:26 PM

I don't think cold air intakes actually do anything, usually the factory air box is pretty good at pulling cold air. Often times the aftermarket "cold air intakes" actually end up sucking hotter air from the engine bay, and you have to shell out 300 bucks for them.

Alternator pulley is not worth it because it'll reduce your voltage at idle. Water pump and power steering pump are always worth slowing down a bit, ideally removed completely but that's a lot of work.

If you have the lip spoiler on the trunk already, I wouldn't bother with more aero mods.

GK13 04-24-2016 08:36 PM

I finally came up with the perfect idea for the grill block. Use drywall toggles and have it hook inside the front grill. Make it in 3 pieces so they can be removed to allow cooling in the 115+ AZ heat during the summer. I was also thinking of smoothing where the fog lights are by covering them in some sort of abs plastic or such with double sided tape. Would that help enough to be worth doing? I just thought that they grab enough air and since I don't have fog lights to just smooth them out. Now how would I slow down the power steering or the water pump? The belts are all on the side of the engine like no neighing I've seen before. So I just am clueless.

serialk11r 04-25-2016 05:02 AM

I don't think you have a power steering pump, you should have electric steering. You should have idlers, alternator, water pump, and AC. The water pump and AC are the big pulleys, but the water pump pulley is the smooth one:
http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/2...ng-Diagram.jpg

GK13 04-25-2016 06:00 PM

So, just got 52 mpg on my tank with super hypermiling to the best I can and the resonator delete. I know taking that resonator off had to of done something because it goes up hills better even. I can tell because with the cruise on the rpm's are lower going up the same hills. I should have the K&N drop in filter in a couple days. Waiting on Amazon.

What would the impact be on doing smooth wheel covers or even an extreme rear wheel skirt? Thinking as far as the bumper goes down.

Talked with a muffler shop today. Said that they could easily do the swap for me. But I'd loose low end torque and a little acceleration. I don't ever floor it so does that matter much?

serialk11r 04-26-2016 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GK13 (Post 512606)
What would the impact be on doing smooth wheel covers or even an extreme rear wheel skirt? Thinking as far as the bumper goes down.

Talked with a muffler shop today. Said that they could easily do the swap for me. But I'd loose low end torque and a little acceleration. I don't ever floor it so does that matter much?

Hard to say, people here who have done full skirts have seen noticeable improvement.

It's hard to say if you'll lose low end torque actually. Usually with a cam phasing system in a normal engine, you lose low end torque because the engine runs with a lot of overlap at low speed. With this engine, it might have less overlap because it can adjust cam duration freely.

Exhaust is obviously not going to be a cost effective mod for mpg, do the skirts first if you can.

H-Man 04-26-2016 02:41 AM

I say leave the drivetrain alone. How do the wheels look? I'd do rear wheel skirts and smooth hubcaps.

GK13 04-26-2016 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by serialk11r (Post 512329)
Another cheap weight reduction you can do is get an aftermarket muffler, and then have it welded in place of the stock muffler. I did this for 150 bucks using a fairly quiet 70 dollar Magnaflow stainless steel muffler and saved 20 pounds on my FRS.

Which magnaflow muffler did you get? I called up flowmaster and they were saying the magnaflow ones are a glass pack and they can burn up. Did yours last pretty well?

serialk11r 04-27-2016 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by GK13 (Post 512640)
Which magnaflow muffler did you get? I called up flowmaster and they were saying the magnaflow ones are a glass pack and they can burn up. Did yours last pretty well?

I've only had it for a year. It's not a multi chamber one though, so it might get louder with age, no idea.

jcp123 04-27-2016 09:26 AM

My Dad had Magnaflows on his Mach 1. The packing inside was supposed to have been some steel and ceramic materials, supposedly much more durable than regular 'packs. The principle is the same, though, hence the crackly glass pack quality their sound has. He only had that car for a year or so, so I can't really speak to their durability.

I have regular glass packs on my Mustang. She was my DD for a couple of years. They didn't seem to burn out all that much. They're longish, 24" I think, maybe 30". They're still quite mellow.

GK13 04-30-2016 04:33 PM

should i just go ahead and put a glass pack muffler on instead of the all chambered one? its about a $30 difference in them. I think the glass pack should sound the best of the two but I’m not sure. it should help weight reduction a very small amount but being less restrictive should help right?

serialk11r 05-03-2016 01:56 AM

Not really, you're losing maybe a lightbulb or two's worth of power to exhaust backpressure, and most of it is at the cat not the muffler.

Again, do it for weight reduction or sound (and neither will really show up at the pump), not for efficiency gains. Mufflers don't give you squat in most cases.

GK13 05-05-2016 12:14 AM

So, looks like I'm getting worse gas mileage with the K&N? Is this possible? I don't get why that's happening. It's never happened like that with any of my other vehicles. It either stayed the same or went up a bit. Never down.


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