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aerohead 11-30-2021 06:16 PM

2021 US Hurricane season
 
NOAA's Climate Prediction Center anticipated up to 21 named storms for the 2021 Atlantic basin Hurricane season.
We're basically at the end of the season, and we've seen 21 named storms.

oil pan 4 11-30-2021 06:42 PM

Yeah that's typical for a solar activity ramp up year.

aerohead 12-02-2021 12:56 PM

solar activity
 
NOAA knew in advance what the sun was going to do for the next 365-days?

freebeard 12-02-2021 02:40 PM

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NOAA's Climate Prediction Center
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Prediction [is not equal to] prophesy

oil pan 4 12-02-2021 05:31 PM

:eek:
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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 659888)
NOAA knew in advance what the sun was going to do for the next 365-days?

In 2019 we already knew 2020 was going to be mostly a solar minimum year, that's what happened and every solar forecast literally everywhere has 2021 and 2022 as being solar activity ramp up years. NOAA has a solar activity forecast and it has been right on the money so far.
The only people this is a surprise to is the truly inept.

aerohead 12-02-2021 06:22 PM

solar forecast
 
So where is the room for space weather catastrophes?

freebeard 12-02-2021 07:09 PM

The 12,00 year cycle and the 600 year subcycle. It's been reliable so far.

oil pan 4 12-02-2021 09:09 PM

Carbon 14 events are about 1,000 to as little as 300 years apart.

aerohead 12-06-2021 10:38 AM

12,000-year cycle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 659931)
The 12,00 year cycle and the 600 year subcycle. It's been reliable so far.

So we can expect global human extinction this year?

aerohead 12-06-2021 10:41 AM

Carbon-14
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 659935)
Carbon 14 events are about 1,000 to as little as 300 years apart.

So, before the year ends, NOAA has forecast all solar magnetic activity to cease, and cosmic particles to amp up Carbon-14 production?

freebeard 12-06-2021 01:17 PM

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So we can expect global human extinction this year?
Why should we? The fact that you and all of us are here shows that it hasn't happened before. Divide 12K into 400K and you get tens of times we've weathered the space weather storms.

aerohead 12-06-2021 02:35 PM

why should we
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660053)
Why should we? The fact that you and all of us are here shows that it hasn't happened before. Divide 12K into 400K and you get tens of times we've weathered the space weather storms.

Your S-O video told us that we're entering a 12,000-year extinction cycle right now.
What are we to think?

Piotrsko 12-06-2021 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660053)
Why should we? The fact that you and all of us are here shows that it hasn't happened before. Divide 12K into 400K and you get tens of times we've weathered the space weather storms.

No it means it hasn't happened during our recorded history or at the prehistoric human places we have been able to investigate. There are numerous stories of plagues, floods, extinction so one could surmise the survivors commenting if it did happen.

Is he story of Atlantis true? We don't know because there isn't a location we can inspect.

freebeard 12-06-2021 03:20 PM

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Your S-O video told us that we're entering a 12,000-year extinction cycle right now.
What are we to think?
We're to think your putting words in S0's mouth.

The 12,000 year cycle is the Solar Superflare Cycle. iopscience.iop.org/article/: The Astrophysical Journal --Statistical Properties of Superflares on Solar-type Stars: Results Using All of the Kepler Primary Mission Data

6000 Year Disaster Cycle --Jul 8, 2021

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good evening folks the latest bombshell
from the journals truly deserves its own
little episode
this was the delivery of a name to the 6
000 year solar cycle
now called the heinrich bond cycle the
correlation between the sun's 6 000 year
cycle and the heinrich events on earth
was one of our most important hypotheses
and that the ice sheets were worked by
the larger scale shaking and stirring of
the sun every 6
000 years for a mega flare which we know
punctuates the 6 000 year cycle
along with a slightly smaller one on the
three thousand year half cycle
and this is the forcing evidenced in
rapid ice sheet effects
known as the heinrich events the most
important millennial scale climate
events
It's been the Heinrich-Bond Cycle since July.

oil pan 4 12-06-2021 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 660047)
So, before the year ends, NOAA has forecast all solar magnetic activity to cease, and cosmic particles to amp up Carbon-14 production?

Amazing, everything you just said is wrong.
Carbon 14 events are from solar super storms.
I don't get how you even see any of that as a possibility.

aerohead 12-06-2021 03:45 PM

words into S-O's mouth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660071)
We're to think your putting words in S0's mouth.

The 12,000 year cycle is the Solar Superflare Cycle. iopscience.iop.org/article/: The Astrophysical Journal --Statistical Properties of Superflares on Solar-type Stars: Results Using All of the Kepler Primary Mission Data

6000 Year Disaster Cycle --Jul 8, 2021



It's been the Heinrich-Bond Cycle since July.

Please see # 506 ( permalink ), #5, at the Climate-Change thread.
It's the end of the world.

aerohead 12-06-2021 03:47 PM

Carbon 14
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 660072)
Amazing, everything you just said is wrong.
Carbon 14 events are from solar super storms.
I don't get how you even see any of that as a possibility.

I'll bring my notes for next time.

oil pan 4 12-06-2021 03:50 PM

Are your notes in cuneiform on clay tables?

aerohead 12-06-2021 04:14 PM

Carbon - 14 event
 
Since I'm on the computer, I went ahead and looked.
* Carbon-14 is created when cosmic particles interact with Nitrogen-14 in the upper reaches of the atmosphere.
* Earth's magnetosphere typically shields us from most cosmic radiation.
* S-O's predicted geomagnetic meandering, reversal, return, whatever, very soon to happen, will expose Earth to increased cosmic radiation.
* Which will increase Carbon-14.
* Geomagnetic reversals have never been associated with any radio-isotopic evidence for extinction events, but that hasn't stopped S-O from claiming to the contrary.
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* If we have a truly super-flare event, there won't be anyone around to talk about it.
* If we have another Carrington-like event, we'll need lots of replacement transformers, and crews to swap them out.
* We'll probably lose some satellites, electronic communications capability, along with GPS.

aerohead 12-06-2021 04:18 PM

notes
 
Smoke signals. Hashish. Oregano when strangers visit. They can't seem to tell the difference. Always leave bragging.

oil pan 4 12-06-2021 04:25 PM

That's the normal mechanism for slow and steady carbon 14 production.
This is a carbon 14 event.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/774%...arbon-14_spike
All signs point to the sun as the source.
Every carbon 14 event makes carbon dating less accurate as you look further back.

aerohead 12-06-2021 04:35 PM

1.2 = 20?
 
I'm looking at your link at Wiki.
They start out talking about a 1.2% increase which is 20-times the normal background variation rate.
0.06% should be normal. And 0.072% the 'spike.'
This isn't helpful.

aerohead 12-06-2021 04:40 PM

solar source
 
And it looks like 'life' isn't affected, only technology. Plants, animals, and people are fine. No catastrophe.

freebeard 12-06-2021 07:58 PM

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notes
Smoke signals. Hashish. Oregano when strangers visit. They can't seem to tell the difference. Always leave bragging.
Lot in translation. Anyone?
Quote:

And it looks like 'life' isn't affected, only technology. Plants, animals, and people are fine. No catastrophe.
Airplanes in flight, pacemakers, migrating animals...

freebeard 12-06-2021 08:03 PM

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Please see # 506 ( permalink ), #5, at the Climate-Change thread.

It's the end of the world.
This?
Rocket Lab CEO on the newly unveiled Neutron Rocket

It's a boxed cavity pace Muir on the way up and a full boat tail on the way down.

Piotrsko 12-07-2021 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660088)
Lot in translation. Anyone?

Could be a reference to a ploy airmen at Chanute airplane patch used on the security police: baggie full of oregano stashed somewhere random semi hidden. The daring would use a baggie that contained cannibus and wash it, some would find a dog in estrus but mostly they were just bags of spice. I believe the intent was to either annoy the security personnel or cause them to not trust the drug dogs. The result was a rapid congregation of irritated SP and isolation of a large area for a longish time.
Had a roomie who did this after his PCS orders.

Other than that, I got nothing.

aerohead 12-09-2021 01:45 PM

'life'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660088)
Lot in translation. Anyone?


Airplanes in flight, pacemakers, migrating animals...

1) I'm using 'life' within the context of space weather 'catastrophes', or 'extinction events' on Earth.
2) 'Carrington Event-like-events' are not associated with any loss of life, just burnt-out electronics.
3) Whole-building spike-protectors might isolate homes, businesses, and medical facilities from utility-interfaced circuit damage.
4) Spare transformers ( if for-profit utility bean-counters will allow the cost ) and already-trained linepersons would immediately replace the fried equipment once the storm passed.
5) Aircraft inertial navigation gyros are impervious to any atmospheric disturbance.
6) Major Solar Flares are no predictor of solar storms, as no one can predict how an impinging field would be oriented.
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7) As to Geomagnetic Reversals:
* There have been 800 Reversals over the past 160-million years, with no extinction events, nor any proxy evidence for extreme cosmic ray bombardment ( rock weathering ).
* There have been 14-Excursions over the past 780-000 years, with no extinctions or extreme cosmic ray bombardment ( rock weathering ).
* Polarities average 200,000 years.

aerohead 12-09-2021 01:50 PM

This?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660089)
This?
Rocket Lab CEO on the newly unveiled Neutron Rocket

It's a boxed cavity pace Muir on the way up and a full boat tail on the way down.

No. #506 ( permalink ) is an S-O video listing five 'Outrageous' things about the Earth.
I was addressing # 5 on the list, which is about imminent space weather catastrophes on Earth.

freebeard 12-09-2021 02:45 PM

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I was addressing # 5 on the list, which is about imminent space weather catastrophes on Earth.
Thanks, but I noticed this:
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Originally Posted by Piotrsko
Is he story of Atlantis true? We don't know because there isn't a location we can inspect.

The Richat Structure.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...TER_Richat.jpg

It's not 'down in the bottom of the ocean' as Donovan sang:
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https://en-us.topographic-map.com › maps › 9ynj › Richat-Structure
Name: Richat Structure topographic map, elevation, relief.. Coordinates: 20.95626 -11.56260 21.25345 -11.20524. Minimum elevation: 1,164 ft
It was scoured down to bedrock by cataclysmic floods from the Northeast, ten times the size of the Eastern Washington scablands. The actual city was ground to dust and deposited at the bottom of the Atlantic to the Southwest.

Meanwhile the Cascadia Subduction Zone is rockin' and rollin' directly West of my current location. :eek:

oil pan 4 12-09-2021 04:11 PM

The problem with transformers is the really big ones that allow for transmission and sub transmission. These are really big transforms they are made to order, from Korea now, and need up to 1 year lead time when everything is working. No one keeps spares on hand. When one of these big ones goes out the power company uses smaller obsolete, retired, truck mounted transformers to run the sub station at reduced capacity. Power companies rent them from each other if they can't fill the need in house.

aerohead 12-09-2021 04:28 PM

corporate-owned utilities and big transformers
 
Thanks for pointing out a potential benefit of publicly-owned utilities.;)

aerohead 12-09-2021 04:46 PM

Atlantis the Lost Continent
 
Writings before Plato, place Atlantis west of Gibralter, which would be beyond the known world at the time, so it makes N. Africa a problematic location, even if it's location were right along the coastline at the time.
And there's always the possibility that 'Atlantis' were merely some Homeric-esque, Canaanite metaphorical tool, used in storytelling, about some aspect of the spectrum of human potential or folly.

oil pan 4 12-09-2021 07:51 PM

Advagrid, the masshole owned energy conglomerate is known for cutting the maintenance budget which always involves cutting the numbers of spare parts on hand. Because with the just in time global supply system what could possibly go wrong, just order what you need when you need it.

freebeard 12-09-2021 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead
Writings before Plato, place Atlantis west of Gibralter, which would be beyond the known world at the time, so it makes N. Africa a problematic location, even if it's location were right along the coastline at the time.

I didn't find the original text (Solon via Plato) but some sources say beyond rather than 'west of'.
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Lost City of Atlantis And Its Incredible Connection to ...
https://www.israel365news.com › 83028 › lost-city-atlantis-incredible-temple
It was a port city located "past the 'Pillars of Hercules'", which Jacobovici explained is known today as the Straits of Gibraltar. In Plato's account, Solon describes the destruction of Atlantis by a natural disaster which covered the coastal city with mud and water. According to the story, the city sank into the ground and disappeared.
Then you have the place names. The Atlas Mountains, named for King Atlas, the reputed first king of Atlantis. The dry waterfalls to the North. The sea salt all over the ground.

"known world"? Ask the Olmecs.

Piotrsko 12-10-2021 10:19 AM

Ok so we don't know where ( kinda my point).

How about when? (Could be even harder but would lead to where) the Mediterranean formation is within human evolution of several subgroups capable of civilization

Do isolated subcultures like the Incas or Mayans have traditions of a sunk city? How about the Australian aboriginal, Thai, Hawaiian, or Japanese. The natives of the western Atlantic subtropics do but everyone generally ignores them.

freebeard 12-10-2021 12:51 PM

When was the end of the Younger Dryas.

There are legends about the [re-]filling of the Mediterranean basin, and of course the Black Sea and Doggerland Banks are littered with archeological sites.

duckduckgo.com/?q=mud+flood and duckduckgo.com/?q=tartaria
https://codigooculto.com/wp-content/...da-768x432.jpg
https://codigooculto.com/wp-content/...da-768x432.jpg

Piotrsko 12-10-2021 02:09 PM

Couple of flood events on the Mediterranean, including when it was an ocean before Africa arrived and may or may not had human(ish) habitation then and the final one where it looks like today.

aerohead 12-13-2021 06:18 PM

Pillars of Hercules
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 660166)
I didn't find the original text (Solon via Plato) but some sources say beyond rather than 'west of'.


Then you have the place names. The Atlas Mountains, named for King Atlas, the reputed first king of Atlantis. The dry waterfalls to the North. The sea salt all over the ground.

"known world"? Ask the Olmecs.

Yes, this is what's been described as the end of the known world. If 'west' as mentioned in whatever I was looking at was correct, it would place Atlantis in the Eastern Atlantic Basin.
The guts of the story could date to before Sumer and Babylonia, and passed down only as oral traditions, morphing and embellishing with every telling.
There's a bunch of that in the earliest Hebrew texts.
My opinion is that, Atlantis was never a place, just a construct used for thematic storytelling. Like Troy.
Long ago, major floods came twice a year, and biblical archaeologists think now that, there was no single Noah flood event, just lots of flood events. They can't even get the shape of the ark correct. The earliest stella presents it as something like a 220-foot diameter circle.
We could look at the plate tectonics and volcanism of the period. Earthquakes, sea floor subsidence. Tsunamis. Underwater mud slides.

aerohead 12-13-2021 06:20 PM

Younger Dryus
 
I think it was 12,000 years ago.

freebeard 12-13-2021 08:06 PM

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...it would place Atlantis in the Eastern Atlantic Basin.
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Mauritania
Mauritania, officially the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, is a sovereign state in Northwest Africa. It is bordered by the Atlantic Ocean to the west, Western Sahara to the north and northwest, Algeria to the northeast, Mali to the east and southeast, and Senegal to the southwest.Wikipedia
It was -- until the geological uplift put it a thousand feet above sea level.

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They can't even get the shape of the ark correct. The earliest stella presents it as something like a 220-foot diameter circle.
Thanks for pointing that out. Irving Finkel is one of my favorite BBC presenters.

youtube.com/results?search_query=finkel+noah%27s+ark


https://d11p0alxbet5ud.cloudfront.ne...'s+Ark.jpg
www.broadcastnow.co.uk/opinion/critics/tv-critics-the-real-noahs-ark-doctor-who-sunday-night-at-the-palladium-the-suspicions-of-mr-whicher/5077543.article


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