$4 A Gallon Gas Is Here!
 

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OK, maybe the headline is a BIT misleading.

$4 a gallon petro-diesel is here. I have been noticing that diesel has been about 75 cents a gallon more than regular unleaded for the last few weeks. Seems like diesel prices follow crude prices more than gasoline prices.

(PS - if you think that $3.999 is NOT $4 a gallon, buy exactly one gallon, pay with 4 one dollar bills and ask for your change...)

Good to know that white bread is still cheap.

Gotta love the kwikery!

White Bread vs. Diesel
 

It's not my favorite, but I can go 20 miles in an hour on 6 pieces. Say we can average 18 slices per loaf, that's 180 miles for $6. Beats any diesel.

If somebody can convert white bread into ethanol at a reasonable price, please give me a call.


I think it will be hard to beat the electro-chemical process of converting white bread to bicycle power though...

$6 takes this about 400 miles at about three times the speed. :thumbup:
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The hit on Transporters
 

This has to hit the transportation segment like the ton of brick's they're hauling (or the "ton of feathers" GM's greenwashing commercial equates).

This trend is going to have a ripple-effect in more than us gasoliners. Diesel carries just about every product you see around to in some part of its journey.

But why?

Is there less of it?

Do they know Diesel cars may be hanging-on by thread of interest that could spin into tightly woven rope?

RH77

It is going to be even more expensive this summer.

The dollar's a droppin' and nearly half of the EU runs on diesel. Even shipping it across the Atlantic, they can pay more than we can. That's what socialized risk and privatized profit does for a country. The gubberment's inflating away the debt of itself and the private industries it bails out. :(

The dollar dropping like a rock because we just print money out of thin air and send it into circulation. 200 billion just a few days ago.

Couple that with the fact that they (the federal government) is probably going to be buying about $200 billion of worthless mortgage-backed securities from near-insolvent US banks with crisp new US currency.

You think the money in your wallet will be worth any more when they get done buying all that worthless stock with it? (not counting all you Canadians) :thumbup:

I just watched CBC NewsNet, a Canadian national news station. Apparently there's a refinery problem in Edmonton Alberta that's affecting much of Western Canada. The newscasters report with that and the rising price of oil, $1.40 a litre will be coming along in just a few weeks :eek:!

That's $5.32 for a US gallon. People from the United States visiting here are probably already peeing their pants at the current $4.33 a gallon.

Around here

$3.299 regular
$4.099 diesel

So, is Canada looking for new members?

RH77 Enjoys Hockey, snow sports, and Environmental Policy. Will learn National Anthem (even the extra verses and in French). Contact if interested... :D

Another guess on Diesel price.

It is More Inelastic. RUG use has droped a tad, and Diesel use has not moved (as far as I know).

This all sucks 4 me since I'll be filling up with D2 (hopefully for the last time ever) sometimes next week. But hey, I only buy fuel about once a month now vs more than once a week a year ago.

But on a Side note, I think I MAY beat 70 mpg again this tank ( My SGII is off)

I think diesel engines are a superior technology compared to gasoline engines.

Years back, diesel was always cheaper than gas. For about the last decade now, it is always more.

Makes me glad I don't have a diesel right now (purely because of the fuel cost) but a veggie-diesel would be fantastic!

No sulpher and no $4 a gallon! (yeah, tehcnically you still gotta track road taxes....)

It's always worth remembering that diesel has roughly 20% more BTUs than gasoline for any given volume.

Who -

Is there a calculator that adjusts the price/BTU/MPG in comparison to gasoline and visa-versa? Could that be a widget in Ecomodder?

CarloSW2

I can't find it but I though I read that it uses more engery to make a gallon of diesel then gasoline. I remember when I saw it it did not seem right because it come off first in the cracking process. Can anybody verify that?

How high will gas and diesel prices go this year?

I thought that in a given barrel of oil only so much can be made into diesel or gasoline and it was more efficient to try and make some of each.

Gas here (Southern New Hampshire is "here" while on spring break) has just gone up to 3.099 on average. Down further south in Rhode Island, I saw an average price of about 3.259 two days ago. It's definitely climbing. I just consider it more motivation to start modding projects and to train on my bicycle.

My uncle said that diesel more than $4.00 where he lives (Ohio) because of the snowstorm. Apparently his gas prices are way more than mine also (3.099 here :p). For those of you wondering why I was on the phone talking to my uncle about gas prices, well he owns gas stations, and so does my dad. (double :p:p)

Lazarus -

Wow, now I am really mixed up. I thought it was the other way around. I thought diesel was a "less processed" form of fuel (hence all the dirtiness). The less-processed aspect led me to believe that it was less energy intensive.

CarloSW2

I think diesel has to be made hotter or with more compression or something (i'm not sure what exactly it is) in order to get it to burn the way it does. same thing with propane, butane, gasoline, etc. But I think diesel uses more energy because of something...

Well send us some gas cards man!!! :p :D it's around $3.30 around here

Retracing my steps. It not more energy it's more oil. Although they say it pollutes more. Here's some interesting reading.

I have my doubts about that claim. Also here.

If this needs to be broken out to a new thread fell free.

$5 gas is in Gorda, CA. And nothing else apparently...
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100 gallons a day? WTF!?

Probably running at least a 25kW generator, the kind that go on a trailer. They're powering a whole gas station, coolers, pumps, lights, etc. Maybe even a 60kW.

The question I have is why?

I mean it just doesn't sound like a lucrative location to have a business if that's the only source of power. Get a windmill or something if there's no access to the electrical grid. That's like spending $400+ a day in just a power bill.

well in one day it went up to 3.40. tomorrow will probably be worse :(

If it's any consolation to you guys, here in Finland gasoline costs about 1.45 euros per liter and that's about $8 per gallon.

One of my wife's relatives recently bought a Ford F-450 that gets 9mpg at best. I told them that with today's diesel prices it's like throwing a dollar bill out of the window for each two and a half miles that they drive down the road.

diesel is now 4.30 here gas 3.49

My guesses:
1) It's much cheaper to buy a generator than a windmill or solar, short term anyway. And most businesses like the short term.
2) This decision was probably made when gas was much cheaper
3) They have a more direct link to the gas supply, so they get a better price. They may even be improving their price discount by using a higher volume.

wow...makes me think I have cheap gas prices...

$3.13/G Regular
$3.99/G Diesel

All I can say is...if my parents don't let me get a motorcycle this summer, I'm going to start making them drive me around or just tell them to bug off because I can't afford the gas for my Camry...just the other day it cost me $50 to fill up...Less then a year ago I could fill up for just over $35...ridiculous!

I paid 1.20 euros/L in Germany in 2004, which at the time worked out to $6/gal. I'm sure a lot of that is tax...I've read it's about 60%. In the US, our federal gas tax is 18c/gal, and states add up to 33c/gal. So most of our gas money is going to the corporate profits and doesn't benefit us.

Personally, I would like to see a large gas tax funding public transportation like you have in Europe

My first job was working as a fuel attendant at a gas station in 2002-03. I remember Geo Metros on road trips stopping and filling for $13-$16! Try $40+ these days.

In fall of 2002, I drove a 1980 Chrysler Cordoba with a 5.2L V8. My first fill was $5 after driving 31 miles (worked out to be 16.5 MPG(US)) and I thought that was expensive. Guess what?? My last fill of the miserly Geo Metro worked out to be 38.9 miles travelled for that same $5 in fuel! Less than 8 miles extra per $ spent on fuel!

$3.45/G Regular
$4.20/G Diesel

$3.82 US for 89 Octane in SoCal today (a higher priced station that I went to for convenience)

I just filled the TDI with the highest price I ever paid for diesel. Current prices here are:

Diesel: $5.14/G
Gas: $4.4/G