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Stacygifford 07-20-2017 04:59 PM

94 Integra build thread
 
Its been a LONG time since my last post, but I've been lurking around from time to time.

This is a 5 speed Integra with 170k miles that was in the family, and after the owner passed away it found its way into my hands. She actualy lurked on ecomoder from time to time; so I see it only fitting to make a thread for the car! lol

https://image.ibb.co/fb4MZk/20170514_164331_LI.jpg

Ya, the first day it left me stranded.... after a new batery we were ready to go again!


https://image.ibb.co/foeoEk/20170514_164925.jpg

with less than seller mileage returns (28 mpg) i did a tune up.
(oil change, timing belt, spark plugs, cap, and rotor)

I am still not happy with the Economy, but its improving. Being that this car will be my storm chasing car for next season anything i can do to help would be nice.

https://image.ibb.co/capMZk/20170608_163344.jpg

The laptop mount is held on via industrial Velcro so it comes off easily.
A big problem with storm chasing in a honda (or acura) is how low the oil pan sits. That is not good for dirt roads with large rocks! so a bellypan/Skid plate was not optional for me.

The last thing I would ever want to do is ruin this car by hacking it up. By removing the factory tow hooks it gave me a VERY sturdy location for some skid plate mount points.

https://image.ibb.co/eNQOfQ/20170706_145100.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/gpvBZk/20170720_134912.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/mHwkuk/20170720_142953.jpg

I didn't want to increase the frontal area of the car, but the whole point of a skid plate is to make it to where it will take any potential impact, not the chassis. i have less than a half inch of clearance between the oil pan and the skid plate.

https://image.ibb.co/ivO9LQ/20170720_134857.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/jW8WZk/20170720_134901.jpg

The bellypan is ~ 1/8" (3.175mm) aluminum and will hopefully be sturdy enough. The brackets are 2"x3"x0.3125" angle aluminum.

https://image.ibb.co/jj95uk/20170720_145055.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/ic1JEk/20170720_145105.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/eorJEk/20170720_145110.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/bAWULQ/20170720_145126.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/d5oyEk/20170720_145142.jpg

If i get a chance to bend some new sheet metal for it, I will make it fit the front bumper a little tighter.

https://image.ibb.co/hrtn75/20170720_145202.jpg

The last thing to do is add brackets to the rear, like so.

https://image.ibb.co/joApLQ/fu2x2.jpg

Stubby79 07-20-2017 11:15 PM

Nice work!

Ecky 07-21-2017 09:18 AM

Storm chasing, sounds like a dream.

Subscribed! Very clean teggy. I had a B18 in my Del Sol, and it was a fun little motor. I'd love to see where this goes.

Stacygifford 07-21-2017 02:04 PM

Thanks for the support guys, Will be taking it for a 415 mile drive today and just removed the power steering belt so testing wont be a perfect comparison from without the bellypan.

I need another MPGuino from Meelis.

Stacygifford 07-25-2017 06:00 PM

This is a re-post from a thread that I just made but I thought it belonged in here as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacygifford (Post 545864)
***Disclamers, Some these modifications are Illegal, and should not be done on any road going vehicles. This is for Educational purposes only!! If not properly implemented, changing an engines Air/Fuel ratio can have Catastrophic effects on your cars motor!!!***


This will be a short write up on how to install an Innovate Motorsport MTX-L wide band o2 sensor/controller in place of the original O2 sensor on a 92-95 Acura integra.
This will be almost exactly the same process on all OBD1 Honda/Acura 4 cylinder cars. (with the exception of the Civic VX**)

OBD0 and OBD2 cars will have to splice a different wire at the ecu.

The reason for doing this is multi purpose:
First, more accurate fuel metering on both stock and modified engines.
Second, the ability accurately to monitor fuel conditions.
***Third, the "option" of doing a lean burn conversion on a non lean-burn car

What you will need:
Various tools:
10mm wrench
Philips screw driver (No.2)
Flat head screwdriver
Wire crimps/cutters/strippers
22mm(7/8") wrench
Ect.

Innovate Motorsports MTX-L Advanced Digital Wideband Air/Fuel Ratio Gauge
2x Add a circuit fuse adapters
Wire of various colors (I used 16 gauge, it only needs to carry 3A)
5A fuse
1A fuse
Various Electrical connectors,
Zip ties
Optional:
Hole saw
Gauge pod/ some other way to mount the gauge
Heat shrink
10A 30OHM resistor

Lets get started,
1 Disconnect the battery. ALWAYS (I removed for ease of access later)

https://preview.ibb.co/nwinC5/20170724_160459.jpg

Remove some interior panels so that you can run wires from the gauge location to the ecu.
https://image.ibb.co/m0Yb5Q/20170724_141516.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/mcTLX5/20170724_141633.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/g3nsek/20170724_141518.jpg

I decide to mount the gauge in the location of the factory interior dimmer. I did because it looks good in that location, i never change the brightness of my instrument cluster, and mainly because I broke it trying to take it out

https://image.ibb.co/dYA0X5/20170724_150146.jpg

Insert the gauge, and drop the wires down

https://image.ibb.co/nNUG5Q/20170724_150128.jpg

I have quick disconnects, so that i can use the gauge to tune other cars occasionally.

https://image.ibb.co/eSFOkQ/20170724_152216.jpg

Next run a wire from the red lead to a fuse on ignition switched power.

https://image.ibb.co/mhL0X5/20170724_152229.jpg

Then repeat the process for a fuse on the park light fuse for the wight lead.
Add a ground wire (to the black lead)

Then run a wire from the brown lead, over to the ECU.

Remove the ECU

https://image.ibb.co/kTqdKk/20170724_171043.jpg

On almost all OBD1 Hondas, the wire you are looking for is White with a red tracer, and will be pin#14 on the "D" connector. This will be wasy to find dueto the fact that it is one of the only wires with a Radio frequency shielding on it.

https://image.ibb.co/cYSfX5/obd1_pin_schematics.gif

Splice into the wire and connect the Wide-band controller to the plug side of the wire. I used spade connectors so that i can return the car back to factory easily if need be.

Now, run the Wide band harness from the Gauge, through the firewall.

https://image.ibb.co/cQo9QQ/20170724_161244.jpg

I used one of the factory holes/grommet located next to the battery. It should be noted that i did have to feed the wire FROM the outside because one plug is substantially larger than the other.

https://image.ibb.co/bAtnC5/20170724_161022.jpg

Double check your wiring!!!!

Now, you have a few options,
Either install a resistor to trick the ECU into thinking that the original (heater circuit) is still there
Or keep the original O2 plugged in and zip tie it under the car somewhere safe. (what I did)
Or disable the heater circuit by reprogramming the computer. However, that is a whole thread on its own.

Remove the Factory o2 sensor.

Before installing the new sensor It is important to calibrate it.

Connect the battery

The calibration procedure requires that the oxygen sensor be in free air, this
means removed from the exhaust system completely.

1. With the sensor disconnected, apply power to the MTX-L.
When power is applied, all three digits will light up and the needle bar will
sweep once through all LEDs. Then the status light will turn red and the
numeric display will read “E2”. This is an error code, indicating that no
sensor is detected. Leave unit powered on for minimum 30 seconds.

2. Power down the MTX-L and attach the oxygen sensor using the
cable provided. When making these connections, make sure they
are fully seated and locked. Again, make sure that the sensor is in
free air (not in the exhaust).

3. Power up the MTX-L.
Again, the display should ‘sweep’, but instead of an error, the display will
display “Htr”. This indicates that the sensor is being heated up to
operating temperature. After 30-60 seconds, the display will switch from
“Htr” to “CAL”, indicating that the sensor is being calibrated. A few
seconds later, your MTX-L will begin displaying AFR. Since the sensor is
in free air, the gauge will default to the upper limit of 22.4.
Done with calibration

Remove the battery.

Screw in the new sensor.
As a note the Sensor should be at least 24 inches downstream of the exhaust port outlet.

Re connect your ECU,

RECHECK THE WIRING.

Reconnect the Battery.

FIRE IT UP!!!


If all things Work out, putt the interior back together, and take it for a drive!

https://image.ibb.co/gE3nC5/20170725_130841.jpg

At this point, you have a basically Have a more accurate Narrow band. If you want to go the lean burn route, you will have to plug the Wide-band into a laptop and and boot up the Logworks3 software from Innovate Motorsports (included with the sensor) I will not be going into detail on how to change those outputs, but I will say that the software is very easy to use and that I changed the voltage switching point so that it outputs the equivalent voltage of 14.7:1 at 16:1 Just a little lean, but under load, it ignores the O2 sensor and runs off the mapping of the ecu anyway.

Once my MPGuino comes in, I will be doing an A-B-A test at 60mph Cruising at a few different AFR'S. I will need to be able to tune the ecu (coming soon) to change the ignition timing to really take advantage of Lean burn.

Technically, you "could" program the Yellow Output wire from the Wideband to interface withe the Civic VX ECU as the the LAF ECU input ("D" connector pin #16) however, you would need to find the Voltage curve for the VX sensor... good luck.

Feel free to ask questions!!!.


Stacygifford 07-25-2017 06:21 PM

It is Important to note that I will either be installing the Catalytic converters from a 1st gen insight (made to handel higher NOX output) or be doing water injection in conjunction with a NOX sensor from a ford diesel to try and keep emissions in check.

I have both setting around. The cats came off my insight and only have ~5,000 Miles on them.

The NOX sensor will have to be monitored via a Arduino. I need the voltage range outputs, and I cant find the info I need for it....

A word of caution, go too crazy, and It may throw a code with the rear O2 sensor. Easily solved by disabling it in the programming of the ECU later on.

freebeard 07-26-2017 12:17 PM

Good job on the skid plate :thumbup:

You pose an interesting aerodynamic question; modification for stability in gusting crosswinds rather than speed or economy.

One thought is the roof-top fences used on NASCAR cars to kill lift when they go sideways.

Stacygifford 07-26-2017 01:14 PM

You know, roof rails May not be a bad idea. Under normal driving conditions they shouldn't have a terrible impact Drag, however, that would definitely change with a strong Crosswind .

I've actually done a little chasing in my 1st gen Insight. 50MPH crosswords are definitely a handful.... Also, the car is just too slow to feel comfortable Under some of the conditions that we encounter .

freebeard 07-26-2017 04:05 PM

The other thing might be what air-baggers call 'laying frame'. You could even have ground anchors mounted in two opposite corners so you could drive onto some bare ground and sink 'em.

oil pan 4 07-26-2017 05:16 PM

Unless you run a Honda insite engine tune on the insite converter, it seems useless for reducing NOx.
The converter gets loaded up with NOx and the ecu runs the engine rich every so often to regen the anti-NOx catalyst.
With out that regen the converter loads up with NOx and then the NOx blows straight through.
I would just use a normal converter.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...urn-35095.html

Stacygifford 07-27-2017 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 545940)
The other thing might be what air-baggers call 'laying frame'. You could even have ground anchors mounted in two opposite corners so you could drive onto some bare ground and sink 'em.


If it is THAT windy, I may have other problems such as lethal debris. We do a pretty good job of being able to stay out of Immediate danger

https://www.instagram.com/txstormhunter/

If you want to see a few of my photos.



Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 545947)
The converter gets loaded up with NOx and the ecu runs the engine rich every so often to regen the anti-NOx catalyst.
With out that regen the converter loads up with NOx and then the NOx blows straight through.
I would just use a normal converter.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...urn-35095.html

That is a good point, I may be able to account for that in the tuning of my ECU, but I will need the NOX sensor working to know for sure.

I may wind up just keep the stock Cat.

Stacygifford 07-27-2017 02:47 PM

I have had idea floating around for a while.
Im not sure if there has been a thread on it....
The thought is to have an arduino as the output to simulate an oxygen sensor using a few input parameters. (rpm via the injector and TPS via the factory sensor 0-5v)

My wideband has a linar voltage output of 0-5v for a 7.4-22.1 AFR value.
V=(50/147x)- 370/147) x being AFR

or .5-1.5λ or V=5λ-5/2
lambda is much easier lol

My thinking is if the rpm is below 1200 or above 3500 lean burn is not really needed so have the o2 sensor output equal to the factory switching point of 14.7:1

In regards to the throttle position
If <5% run at the normal afr.
If 5-11% run the switching-point at 17.5:1 afr
If12-20% run the switching-point at 16.5 afr
if 21-30% run the switching-point at 15.5 afr
If>30% run the switching-point at the normal 14.7 to help avoid detonation
(possibly wright a formula to make it more linear as apposes to having 3 steps)

Obviously these ranges will need to be adjusted with further testing.

Just an idea I'm throwing out there. I just ordered my Mega 2560 and should be in pretty soon.

If anyone has any ideas/suggestions feel free to comment.

California98Civic 07-27-2017 08:15 PM

Nice thread. Love the mods. Subscribed.

Stacygifford 07-31-2017 12:01 AM

"Quick" update time. with LOTS of hopefully helpful links
The ecu is chipped, and I have a starting tune.
For how to chip yourown OBD1 honda ecu see hamotorsprots or just do a goolge search.... super easy to find.

https://preview.ibb.co/jnwmAQ/20170730_201345.jpg

I am using a P06 ecu from a 94 civic with a D15B7 and an Auto transmission.
So, yes tou can EASILY use an auto ecu on a manual car. all you have to do is remove 2 resistors (RP17 and RP18), and replace one of them with a jumper wire. (RP18)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...a/IMG_0317.jpg

For a detailed DIY/HOW-TO see HERE

https://preview.ibb.co/hGZTPk/20170730_201355.jpg

I still need the TTL to USB conversion cable to Datalog. I should be able to pick it up tomorrow.
Alternatively you could make your own from an old NOKIA 3200 (DKU-5) data cord. See here **no pictures** or Here not quite as detailed

And after ALL of that This will get you loging

I did a few slight changes to the stock p75 rom to help with my slight lean burn set up. from 1250-3500 rpm I added 2degrees of timing while under light load (see red box) I also decreaced the low-mid rpm ople loop crossover threshold to help prevent going into higher engine loads while lean and causing detonation.
The top is the altered timing map and TPS/RPM Closed-open loop crossover
and the bottom are the stock settings.

https://preview.ibb.co/e5NF4k/Untitled.png

I also did a few fueling adjustments to have a smoother transition from 16.2:1 under light load cruising to 13.4:1 under hard acceleration. right at the transition to open loop it runs right at 14.5 and richens up when accelerating/pulling a hill. Because this car is basically all stock only very small changes were needed to a few sections of the fuel map.

When I am able to actually log this stuff, it will only get better/easier, with a lot less guesstimation .

Lastly, a good freind surprised me with something he found at a garage sale saying,
Quote:

I saw this and thought you had to have it. It screams Ecomodder!
and Ill be damed, it does!
https://preview.ibb.co/egb8Pk/20170730_213632.jpg

An oldschool "Econo-Meter" vacuum gauge, I have a new Autometer vacume/boost gauge, but I think this is much cooler! :cool:

https://preview.ibb.co/fGMWc5/20170730_213638.jpg

It may find its way into the car sometime soon!

ar5boosted 07-31-2017 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacygifford (Post 545991)
I have had idea floating around for a while.
Im not sure if there has been a thread on it....
The thought is to have an arduino as the output to simulate an oxygen sensor using a few input parameters. (rpm via the injector and TPS via the factory sensor 0-5v)

My wideband has a linar voltage output of 0-5v for a 7.4-22.1 AFR value.
V=(50/147x)- 370/147) x being AFR

or .5-1.5λ or V=5λ-5/2
lambda is much easier lol

My thinking is if the rpm is below 1200 or above 3500 lean burn is not really needed so have the o2 sensor output equal to the factory switching point of 14.7:1

In regards to the throttle position
If <5% run at the normal afr.
If 5-11% run the switching-point at 17.5:1 afr
If12-20% run the switching-point at 16.5 afr
if 21-30% run the switching-point at 15.5 afr
If>30% run the switching-point at the normal 14.7 to help avoid detonation
(possibly wright a formula to make it more linear as apposes to having 3 steps)

Obviously these ranges will need to be adjusted with further testing.

Just an idea I'm throwing out there. I just ordered my Mega 2560 and should be in pretty soon.

If anyone has any ideas/suggestions feel free to comment.

I believe the standard O2 sensors generate a sine-wave.

You'll need a DAC or the ghetto-DAC (PWM+Resistor+DAC) to get a sine-wave off and arduino if I understand correctly.

I'm really interested in having the same thing. As now I want to achieve something similar as well. I know that wideband-o2 sensor -> narrowband-o2-sensors convertors can be bought off-the-shelf for hundreds of dollars but where's the fun in that.

Nice work.

Stacygifford 07-31-2017 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar5boosted (Post 546270)
I believe the standard O2 sensors generate a sine-wave.

You'll need a DAC or the ghetto-DAC (PWM+Resistor+DAC) to get a sine-wave off and arduino if I understand correctly.

I'm really interested in having the same thing. As now I want to achieve something similar as well. I know that wideband-o2 sensor -> narrowband-o2-sensors convertors can be bought off-the-shelf for hundreds of dollars but where's the fun in that.

Nice work.

Well, the way I'm thinking about it, you would have to use one of the after market wide-band controllers as the input for the arduino anyway. Unless of Of course you have the arduino controlling that as well. Which may not be that difficult, however getting the heating cycle down Would-be difficult ...The Bosh LCU 4.2 and LCU 4.9 are very long life sensors but improper heating can be very detrimental to the life expectancy.
My wideband controler/gauge/sensor cost 219$ It is expensive. But not a whole lot more than just an 02 sensor .

Stacygifford 08-06-2017 03:26 PM

Ok so my MPGuino is on its way from Meelis11. When it comes in I will do some A-B-C maybe ?D? testing.
There is a 26 mile loop around Lubbock with slight elevation change.
FindHills.com
https://preview.ibb.co/m5mtGa/loop.jpg
I will be setting the cruise at 60 mph and testing some of my changes.

Testing Parameters:
A: "All Stock" Factory ECU with Wide-band switching at 14.7
B: Stock ecu but wide-band switching at 16.2
C: My tuned ECU, with advanced timing from (See post number 14 and wideband switching at 16.2

Other test I am considering.
D/E: adding my power steering/AC load to the engine.
F/G Cruise at 65/70

All testing will be done at night to avoid traffic,
All test will be done consecutively, on the same tank of gas, after the car and tires warm to operating temperature. To help Isolate variables.
I may also find a different (shorter) road to decrease testing time (although, this may make the testing less accurate).
I would like the testing rought to have zero stops, changes in speed as to help remove human error from the equasion. another possible option is FindHills.com at 16 miles. If only I had access to a large oval track/ airfield.

If anyone has any sujestions/reccomndations for testing, or even something you would like me to test, be sure to let me know!

ar5boosted 08-06-2017 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacygifford (Post 546782)
If anyone has any sujestions/reccomndations for testing, or even something you would like me to test, be sure to let me know!

Good work.

Well, great work so far. Have you ever considered GPS assisted Ecomodding? This has been on my mind for a little while.

What I mean by this is triangulation of GPS coordinates to activate certain logic. So for example, when going on a known downhill incline, turn off the injectors and shutdown automatically. Then at the start of the incline, have the computer start up again at the correct location.

I have some of the code to do this for Arduino, but I'm trying to port it over to Raspberry-Pi because there's more power to do more things because of the bigger memory.

Here is the link to the original project : http://nootropicdesign.com/projectla...05/speed-trap/

Stacygifford 08-07-2017 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ar5boosted (Post 546794)
Good work.

Well, great work so far. Have you ever considered GPS assisted Ecomodding? This has been on my mind for a little while.

What I mean by this is triangulation of GPS coordinates to activate certain logic. So for example, when going on a known downhill incline, turn off the injectors and shutdown automatically. Then at the start of the incline, have the computer start up again at the correct location.

There have been a few threads on Eco cruise control in the past.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ogic-2031.html
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ion-34170.html
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...trol-3682.html

I think you may be backwards on the
Quote:

when going on a known downhill incline, turn off the injectors and shutdown automatically. Then at the start of the incline, have the computer start up again at the correct location.
In most testing constant throttle, or even accelerating down hill seems to be much better for fuel economy.
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post10470

GPS assisted cruse has the potential to be very useful, but is probably a good bit beyond my capabilities.


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