Brazil is feeding students to vegans
 

I am afraid I never learned Portuguese very well, but this is an interesting article nonetheless: Veganos do Sertão: cidades baianas retiram proteína animal da merenda escolar - CORREIO | O QUE A BAHIA QUER SABER

How else are you going to recycle them?

You already speak Spanish, so most of this article probably wouldn't be too hard for you to understand. Trust me, resorting to the "portuñol" had been very useful (and still is) whenever I need to talk to some tourists from the neighboring countries that are mostly Spanish-speakers (apart from Guyana, Suriname and French Guyana).

But anyway, one of the excuses for this plan is that it would result in cheaper meals for the children who sometimes resort to the school meal as their only daily meal. On the political side, for me it's disgusting to see those veganazis pushing their agenda (literally) down the throats of the children, plus most of the proposed changes on the menu are more likely to require items that would need to be sourced from other regions instead of being supplied from local farmers. For example, why a rice-based milk analogue instead of the coconut-based one? And why soy-based protein instead of corn which is a traditional crop in the Northeast along certain varieties of beans (including black-eyed peas which in Brazil are considered a bean instead of a pea). Well, if regular beef is expensive, why not resorting to goat meat, poultry, or even trying to raise some regional game meat (already well-suited to the local environment) in captivity?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=Soy%20Boy

Even though some of my disapproval toward the usage of soy-based stuff is in fact a result of its eventually-emasculating effects, I mentioned corn because of its popularity in the region where this project is going to be implemented. Well, my mom is from the Northeast just like my grandfather (grandma is from Porto Alegre but has moved to Recife at a very young age), so I got to know some of the traditional cuisine in the region which relies in a lot of corn-based dishes, especially around June due to the St. John festivities (São João). And since I'm from Rio Grande do Sul, where much of our culture originated at the cattle farms, I also tend to be even more unfavorable than other Brazilians to any attempt of imposing restrictions on meat consumption (even though I usually eat more chicken and fish because I can get it cheaper than beef).

I started avoiding soy when the GMO varieties took the market. Not regretting it at this point.

Brazil is feeding vegan meals to students
 

The article admits that the vegan meals are more expensive than omnivore ones. They also say that people overestimate the importance of protein, which is a different approach than I have ever seen by vegans. Usually I see them say something like "You've got to be kidding me!"

Then they list protein vegan sources.

This article argues that purchasing locally-raised meat is better for the environment than purchasing vegetables from around the world, but don't stop importing flora, because those countries depend on the exports: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8177541.html

I think they've got it backwards. They should be feeding the vegans* to the students. Or perhaps feed them to the Brazilian equivalent of coyotes & grizzly bears, then feed the students on them.

*Only the political sort of vegan, of course - the ones who try to impose their lifestyle choices on everyone else.

James, you are just voicing your opinion, right? You are not trying to make this happen? :D

Are you vegetarian, vegan or something like that? But anyway, nowadays most of the grain crops are transgenic anyway, not just soy and corn.

You don't have to be a [tasty, delicious] vegan to distrust Monsanto.

You taste vegans?

Actually, I do not want to know.

You get that from 'distrust Monsanto'? Thank you for sharing, I guess?

I wuz just trying to find common ground with jamesqf, to see if I could draw out whether it's even possible to parse vegans based on intent. It an interesting philosophical question.

vegan is an ideologically driven diet
vegetarian is a health driven diet

however some people require animal protein to stay healthy

and meat is delicious and allows people to eat grass and bush and bugs

Raising meat and dairy are excellent options for marginal land, with one caveat; beneficial use requires sound pasture management. Trying to grow crops on marginal land is often very destructive.

Conversion of tropical forests into grazing land (or plantation/mono agriculture) is problematic. Those areas are far more productive using multi-story agriculture and/or swidden agriculture.

Eating a balanced diet that includes meat, eggs and dairy is better for the environment.

No, I'm not Brazilian, so I doubt I'd have much impact there :-)

Nor have I personally introduced any political vegans to grizzly bears. For one thing, we don't have grizzly bears hereabouts, only the smaller black bears.

Have you considered going where there are grizzlies and putting out vegan bait?

There are people who follow a vegan or vegetarian diet for their own reasons, and I have no problem with that. Then there are those, like this bunch https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.67ab2e2ecc62 who try to force other people to follow those diets, and those I do have a problem with.

Humm... What do you suppose would work as vegan bait? Most of the things I can think of - tofu, for instance - aren't really all that selective.

Herd animals prevent desertification:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTHi7O66pI

Add sound to clay and it's magic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stc5MUIloP0

Often the cheapest things are best for the environment. Ever notice how local produce is more expensive than the big box grocery stores? It takes way more fossil fuels to drive pickup trucks of food around and sell small quantities than to move a container ship full of food across the oceans and sell large quantities in grocery stores.

Why distrust Monsanto more than any other business? GMO is what humans do, and have done since the beginning of agriculture. Even the extremist Bill Nye changed his mind about GMO. That isn't to say that all GMO is good, or that there are never negative consequences, but no need to wear a tinfoil hat while eating GMO corn, either.

I'm reserving my praise for Monsanto for when they engineer the prime rib tree. Mmmm, fresh picked prime rib.

Would that be vegan? :)

Don't go off about the third suggestion of thermodynamics, but I want them to engineer a plant that flourishes in Arizona, and turns heat into Skittles.

Skittles grow on trees, right?

I can imagine vegetarians asking to be buried in a paper bag without the customary preservatives. How do vegans want to be buried?

So, if test-tube cloned pork can be kosher, should vegans accept test-tube meat?

https://www.jta.org/2018/03/22/news-...including-milk

Yes

Yes

Vegan diets are about minimizing cruelty and exploitation of sentient creatures. Since meat isn't sentient (lacks central nervous system), it meets the requirements of veganism.

My take on the subject is that most livestock probably live relatively stress-free under the care of humans up until their relatively quick and painless end. The wilderness doesn't offer the same lack of predators, disease and bounty of food, and usually involves a slow and suffering end. To imagine that they experience horror and exploitation anywhere near to what humans do is to anthropomorphize them.

This isn't to say that I condone unnecessary pain or other cruelty towards animals, but they simply don't fear the future in the way humans do. They don't wrestle with existentialism as we do, and perhaps that is why we are so bothered by seeing the death of an animal, as it forcefully reminds us of our own mortality.

Hmm, I feel a Jordan Peterson lecture coming on right about now, and a story of 2 brothers.

You mentioned JPB's critics in some thread. Are there any that are worth investigating?

Also:
Herd Immunity

Vegans gone bad:
https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/0...demonetization

"veganism is a failed attempt to solve a quantum problem with forced Newtonian `solution.'” https://erikaawakening.com/my-break-...nism-ex-vegan/

Someone wrote a blog post about how being vegan nearly killed them. It was endless nonsense pushing the agenda and then finally saying they went shopping for vegan food and someone nearly ran them over.
I am going to find them and feed them to adorable bunnies.

This one talked about all of the health problems she developed as a vegan and how certain things are cofactors for vitamins and minerals, like how your body cannot use Vitamin D without sunlight.

"The Unbearable Lightness Of Being Unbearable" by by Kelli Jae Baeli, 2010

So, people who claim to be healthy vegans also claim to be better than Ghandi.

[nothing relevant could have developed in 72 years]

Not killing animals for food makes sense to me. Not sucking petroleum out of the earth and then burning it also seems logical, but nobody likes people who say they are better than others.

Be like me! Don't tell anyone you are better than them, let that be your secret! :P

Someone recently mentioned Nasim Aghdam, but I cannot find the post now. Was it taken down? According to this article she was an "Extremist vegan." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-about-n862586

I think that muddies the statistics.

Cra-cra. Lionel is vegan. Here's what he had to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiSwmC30kbo

Third female shooter. No gun control, ten[?] shots, no kills. Herself excepted. At least she didn't fail there, like the guy on the airplane that blew up his underpants.

I understand the philosophy of veganism, and it doesn't bother me that people practice it. I'm not even bothered by people telling me I should also be vegan.

Arguments that it is murder don't follow, although I'm willing to entertain the discussion. Animals that hunt other animals for food don't murder them, they kill them, which is the way nature works. Our criminal system doesn't even prosecute on behalf of the victim, but instead on behalf of itself (The State of California vs *suspect's name*). The state is deprived of a person in their care when a person is murdered, so it seeks retribution and restitution from the offender. Animals have no such concept or awareness.

No doubt that anyone with an opinion differing from my own has a differing philosophical view, which is fine. The only time this becomes a problem is when someone is using virtue signaling to enhance their group standing with the intent of motivating that group to action against the person that does not hold that value.

Unfortunately our culture seeks to be as offended as possible as a means to create a divide and push conflict. Somehow being offended is considered a virtue, and thin skin a sign of strength of character.

Vegetarianism makes sense as it takes less land to produce sufficient food for people (it's more efficient). Much of the world lives on a diet of rice and beans, which I suppose I could tolerate if I had to. I'm more of a "eat to live" rather than "live to eat" type anyhow.

There is a classic Usenet post I've got squirreled away who-know-where. A wall of text that hits all the points without divulging the area of concern. All-purpose, as it were.

This gives a little insight into the abstract and wandering nature in which I think. You should see how bad all of it is before I edit.

Mostly I'm fishing for someone to entertain other interesting topics such as virtue signaling, the distinction between killing and murder, tribalism, groupthink, and philosophy in general.

It's Xist's thread, let's ask him.

I just came from a thread where someone insists on bottom-quoting and I have started skipping his posts and gleaning what he wrote from the responses.

My brain is full. May I be excused?

Don't you remember? Rice is evil! Rice paddies produce methane!

I also despise rice milk, but I have not liked any "milks" that do not come from a cow. Then there is the technical argument that it is is not milk if it does not come from an animal.

Someone argued that livestock have a higher quality of living than wild animals. How many predators do they have? Which death is cleaner?

What happens when activists release farm animals?

I knew you could be counted on to keep us on track. :thumbup:

Rice paddies are full of blood sucking leeches. There must be some way to vertical farm... Nevermind.

What happened after the Willamette Valley farmers released their Nutria when the market for their fur collapsed in the 1950s? I had them living in the sewer pipe in front of my house in the 1990s.

Once at the Manaus airport I met an Indian-American who was strictly vegan because of his religion, and I had to help him since he didn't speak Portuguese and some restaurant clerks didn't speak English. He didn't even try to push me into veganism, otherwise I'd be bothered. Well, a guy like that deserves more respect than the radical vegans who recently performed some virtue-signaling campaigns at a park where I usually go on Sundays to eat acarajé.


Never heard of feijoada, usually prepared with pork? Well, many bean-based dishes actually have some sort of meat or other animal protein added to them, not just pork but also some cheap beef (in Brazil some people use some meats with the bone on them, while in Mexico it's more usual to add minced meat to the chilli con carne).

Just look at this acarajé (which by the way was delicious): a fried dough made out of black-eyed peas (in Brazil they're considered beans instead of peas) traditional in African cuisines which had been incorporated to the tradition of some Afro-Brazilian religions, and a typical street-food in Bahia. Dried shrimp is a traditional filling for acarajé.
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AnxdX3dBz...A3o%2Bseco.jpg

I heard something about a PETA woman shooting Facebook employees and then committing suicide. What I heard was that she was angry that her animal rights videos had been demonetized. Not interested enough to do a search for the story, but apparently some vegans are so fanatical in their religion that they are willing to kill and die for the cause.

Really? A copykat of the Youtube shooter?

Whom I won't name, like Ben Shapiro (or Scott Adams, I forget) to deny the infamy. Apparently her 'workout' videos were age restricted.

According to Lionel, this is a story about mental health, not the manifestations of it. I think she has a jaw-line like David Hogg. Human/alien half-breeds.

Not to me. I don't see the sense in further encouraging overpopulation. Better to work on getting the Earth's population down to a sustainable level - say around 500 million - then we could all live as we choose.