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NeilBlanchard 03-11-2013 09:58 PM

Bridgestone Announces Large Diameter Narrow Tires
 
This is pretty cool!

News | Corporate | Bridgestone Corporation

http://www.bridgestone.com/corporate...3030502_01.jpg
Large & Narrow Concept tire
(Tire size: 155/55R19)

niky 03-11-2013 10:21 PM

You'd need some special rims to run that, wouldn't you? Most 19" wheels I know are around 8-9" wide. That tire comes out to about 6" wide. That gives you some sidewall stretch. Don't know if it's too much or okay, but I would think you'd need to use rims 7" or narrower with these tires.

Love the idea, though.

Frank Lee 03-11-2013 10:49 PM

Kind of like back to the future... like classic VW tires, and most anything '40s and older...

redpoint5 03-11-2013 11:14 PM

Interesting. The added benefit of the larger diameter and narrow width is 8% better traction in wet conditions. I wonder how the dry performance compares.

In science class they always teach that contact area doesn't influence grip or friction because the higher weight on the smaller contact patch equals out the equation. Why doesn't this work in practice? Race cars have enormous wheels.

Frank Lee 03-11-2013 11:32 PM

They need more rubber to dissipate heat.

t vago 03-11-2013 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 360882)
In science class they always teach that contact area doesn't influence grip or friction because the higher weight on the smaller contact patch equals out the equation. Why doesn't this work in practice? Race cars have enormous wheels.

Science class does not take into account the property of materials used in the grip/friction model. Rubber has a finite static coefficient of friction, and the smaller the surface area of rubber presented to the asphalt, the more likely it will be that the motive force spinning the wheels will overcome the static friction presented between the rubber and the asphalt.

(With wheels that are rolling on a surface, there is always a patch of static friction contact between the wheel and the surface, even if the wheel is moving - that is said to be traction. Overcome that static friction, and the wheel starts to spin freely against the surface - or it loses its traction.)

I'd like to be able to find some wheels to fit these kind of tires.

niky 03-11-2013 11:49 PM

It's heat. No matter how big your tires, the contact patch for the same pressure is exactly the same size. Narrower tires, however, have a long patch, which causes more carcass deformation than a wide patch, which causes more heat build-up.

Something Bridgestone touched upon in the press release. I guess they're getting around it with stronger sidewalls and higher pressures, which makes for a smaller contact patch.

The wet weather grip is no surprise. Wider tires hydroplane more than regular ones, and narrow tires tend to hydroplane less.

sheepdog 44 03-12-2013 12:27 AM

If you had some light weight rims, they'd be perfect for lowering highway rpm and getting better mpg. Which is hard to do with any currently available tire because they'd have both a higher rolling resistance and weight.

Frank Lee 03-12-2013 01:00 AM

Quote:

No matter how big your tires, the contact patch for the same pressure is exactly the same size.
That's a popular but incorrect notion.

niky 03-12-2013 01:57 AM

Close enough for government work, as long as the tires are of the same type, construction and height.


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