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Diagnosing a P0420 code
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I keep getting the p0420 code that indicates either low catalyst efficiency or a faulty downstream o2 sensor. Obviously, the CAT is possibly the problem. But I suspect the CAT efficiency could be undermined by another problem, such as burned oil or unburned gas, so I want to find and fix any such issues. The car still drives fine, so I keep driving it, but I have a SMOG test due soon.
Symptoms: The P0420 code has lit up the CEL 8-10 times but in one situation only: steady cruise, light throttle, freeway speed, after the car is pretty thoroughly warmed up (at least 8 or 10 miles of driving). It has not yet come on when doing any of my typical hypermiling, such as P&G, which involves high load and short runs. Diagnosis (pictures!) [I will edit this to upload pictures in a few minutes] Blackened upstream O2 sensor: http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1529895123 This sensor was cleaned throughly to near new appearance about 2500 miles ago. Slightly plugged CAT honeycomb: http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1529895126 The dark spots are probably plugged honeycomb, and across the entire surface it looked like this. I cleaned this CAT with the acid wash method in 2016 and the honeycomb was all uniform light grey and clear afterward. Fuel fouled plug #4: http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1529895126 All four plugs looked about the same, like this one, but this one (#4), was wet and smelled of gas, too. The plugs were all used but clean and gaped properly about 2500 miles ago. Possible causes. As steady cruise, I have also noticed the longterm fuel trim gets lean by a percent or three. So I have been wondering about a rich fuel condition. Obviously, the fuel fouled spark plugs suggest that. I have wondered about a partially plugged up CAT, which obviously kinda seems to be the case in the photo. Next steps I already tried cleaning the O2 sensors. That solved nothing. So... 1) Test spark plugs and wires and replace the plugs if indicated. 2) Maybe wet compression test to look for oil blow-by. 3) Maybe injector test to look for leaking 4) Clean catalytic converter and O2 sensors. YOUR THOUGHTS? |
P0420 is almost always a dead cat. The description of your test conditions when the code sets are part of the drive cycle. That is when the cat efficiency test runs. What happens is the lean rich swings match on both sensors and this tells the pcm that the cat is not working. If the cat was working the two sensors would not have the same readings at the same time. I would try cleaning the cat that is between the two sensors.
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What I might try is get it tested, if it passes by a lot it probably is the O2 sensor.
If not the code is correct and catalyst is below efficiency threshold, try to clean it. Converters have been using a lot of palladium over the years, palladium is near a 15 year high, so you don't want to buy one if you can help it. |
Buy a spark plug anti fouler and drill it out to 1/2 inch and install it on the downstream sensor and just be done with it. Worry about it next time you have to smog it.
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Fuel trim reading 1-3% lean wouldn't raise my eyebrow at all. Have you looked at the spark plug again since driving it more? Wet and gasoline smell could well be because the engine was shut off on the intake stroke.
P0420, in my experience, rarely lies. I'm sorry I forget what instrumentation you have, if you have an Ultragauge I know you can watch O2 sensor voltages. The data resolution sucks but should be passable for seeing if your downstream sensor is switching or holding fairly steady. Other instruments may have this function as well, I just don't know. Do check the spark, just to be on the safe side, but if you had a serious enough spark issue to burn up the cat, I'd think you would see it on the fuel trims, and under 3% correction for your long terms is great; the rule of thumb I've heard is that more than a 10% correction is when you need to start worrying. |
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I resistance tested my ignition wires just now on a lunch break: the #4 with the unburned gas on the plug has oddly low resistance in the wire. I got a bunch of reading near zero on the 20k scale. See attached notes: http://ecomodder.com/forum/attachmen...1&d=1529954275 Number 4 wire is faulty, I gotta think. [EDIT: AND I TOTALLY WILL CHECK THE OBD2 DATA OUTPUT FOR THE DOWNSTREAM SENSOR. THX.] |
If you have a misfire or leaky injector that could clog up the converter if ran long enough.
If you fix the mission fire and give the car an Italian tune up it may go away on its own. If one spark plug wires is not like the others, replace it. Normally they develop really high resistance, not low. |
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Low resistance is strange, but remember that you're checking that wire unloaded, and unloaded circuits are strange. Put said incandescent test light in-line with your multimeter and see what the resistance does, compare to the other wires. |
Can you see both O2 sensor patterns at the same time? When they match it trips the P0420 code. There needs to be a lag in the second pattern for the code to go away. This is best seen on a graphing scanner like a Modis or a laptop with the correct software. We have mostly Fords at work and we have the same computer programs the dealers have. This has been great being able to flash computers and diagnose drivability issues.
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