Diamond Lube
 

I came across this web site: http://www.diamondlube.com/

I was wondering if anyone tried this?

A quick google search turns up evidence of false claims.

Generally speaking YeahPete, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. 15% increase in horsepower? I doubt it.
Synthetic oil is about the best you can do for your vehicle, though I doubt it gives you 15% either.
I think diamond lube is probably just another great marketing strategy.

Its intended for "her" pleasure.

I doubt that getting rid of all of the friction in the whole engine would give 15%, let alone just replacing the lube.
Parked in the U Corral.

Diamonds are a woman's best friend;)

The claims are real, and the US Army has issued NanoLube, Inc a Mil Spec after 3.5 years of intense testing for weapons, but the diamond coating works on everything.

Ok if it works then it shouldn't be too hard to show total empirical proof of those claims in short notice.

From their website :
Those are pretty stiff claims - which not surprisingly make many folks on here rather sceptical , and that's when you end up in the Unicorn Corral.

But stiff claims should be easily verifiable when tested by some of the more experienced testers on ecomodder. Even a Silver kit should yield 10%, that's a very noticeable increase when tested under relatively stable, but real world test conditions.

How about making a set available for one of those testers ?
I'm pretty sure there will be somebody willing to try it.

round diamonds eh? think they're fullerenes?

https://sesres.com/Fullerene.asp

Hey diamondlube it's been one week.......any follow up response?:confused:

P.S.--lubricating a gun or cannon is not the same as lubricating an engine.

That and meeting milspec for a weapons lube is not all that special.

Sorry about the delay. The Space Co bearing company in Japan tested COFof DiamondLube and rated it at .0008 - Teflon is .04 so...

By treating everything that moves on a semi, what else could happen?

Someone mentioned that testing should be easy, but it gets tricky when the tester wants to keep the results secret because it gives them the edge. Like treating the Chicago Wolves Hockey teams skates. One treatment eliminated Ice Steel contact and the results were instantaneous - no blade sharpening required, faster skating and longer glide times. How long will the skates go without sharpening, they want to keep it secret and wont call me back. Got video of their sewing machine before and after too, same thing - faster as usual. Check out ebay.com look for ICE SKATE LUBE.

BTW, I don't have a lubricant which seems to confuse people, I have a diamond coating that is self lubricating which is something nobody else has seen before, including ARGONNE that said my material was unknown before I sent them a sample.

Chris

I know diamonds are not really made from coal but they are pretty much carbon, right? So, like, coal dust in your oil should work the same. As long as it's ground up real good.

The proof it works is right on the webpage with the racer winning his first race ever. I have a dyno sheet on the testing page showing a 20% increase in HP and no negative feedback on ebay.

Its a shame that basic understanding of science in the USA hast been lost over the years. Someone said that scraping the burnt bread off toast should increase fuel economy if added to oil because that's carbon too. I didn't realize where I was, cancel my membership please.

There may be something to this.


The properties and applications of nanodiamonds

http://web.ornl.gov/sci/first/public...4VMochalin.pdf


Tribology and lubrication. (bottom of page 19)




Definition of Tribology

Tribology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




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Microdermabrasion for my engine is a great idea, but the diamond stuff is pricey. KaleCoAuto has something similar for a lot less.

Not even the same thing.
 

DiamondLube has a lot to prove, but he is right on one thing, the level of understanding sometimes displayed on this forum is appalling.

On a side note, nano diamonds are not the only material to display lubricant qualities at the nano scale. I have used Nano titanium powders imbedded on 1020 steel gear sets in prototype testing (as a test of fit and function ) and have found they exhibit negligible wear after 100 hour test runs. The gear sets were not hardened so this is very surprising. I cannot say they reduced friction as that was not measured and a heavy silicon oil was used as the carrier lubricant.

ummm.....it's a forum.......not a Ph.D study group. :rolleyes:

In the world of forums there are several levels. Ecomodder is in the 'general' level. Not 'academic' or 'professional'. At the general level I would say we are at least top 10%.
Come on.......buck up. Filter thru the crap and keep plowing. :thumbup:

It's just a high level of skepticism, especially towards unproven claims. Of products being sold to individuals from websites. Instead of to car companies who would probably be buying it by the case.

Skepticism is warranted.
 

But to link to a product that is the modern equivalent of "Marvel Mystery Oil" shows an utter lack of understanding of the topic in question. You punctuated DiamondLube's point. It is better to not post if you don't have an understanding of the subject at hand.

False argument.

you assume a perfect world.

Maybe he really doesn't know that he doesn't understand.......:confused:

Your solution is that all the 'uninformed' sit back and be quite.... let us 'smarter' :cool: people teach you......:rolleyes:

see previous post....."it's a forum.....":thumbup:

I am in the position to filter through this pile.
 

As you have pointed out, this forum is at that general level. I simply bring up the salient point that there is a whole science based around nano particle interactions to help the reader along. Otherwise the reader sees nothing but crap. There has to be a balance.

It works both ways.
 

Because it is an open forum, I get to have my say. I simply choose to write about subjects I have expertise and experience in. Many others on this forum do the same. Many others do not. I understand that is the way things are. But a little correction is needed at times.

I suggest we get back to the subject at hand . . . nano lubricants.

I approached GM and Ford first, however they refused to consider it. Think replacement parts that are not needed, that is one side effect. Life wear testing at a well known Knife company tested my coating over steel on steel and discovered my coating lasted 30 times longer than their oil and the steel showed no wear, however the machine broke from running too long. You really want to see something that might make sense if you think about it, go to ebay.com and look up ICE SKATE LUBE and I already know an ice skate is not an engine, so don't say it. On the other hand steel that resists wear has to get help from Something. Chris

I think you're due for a filter change. I linked to a joke product at a joke website.

Please discuss.
 

You have not tested the product and you have not given any discussion of why it should not work. There is good basis for discussion.

Discuss the science possibilities. Discuss the claims. I am as skeptical about the claims made by DiamondLube, but there is basis for this technology.

Just like at the Circus, the burdon-of-proof/justification lies with the "hawker" not with the "hawkee".

In many ways . . .
 

. . . this forum does resemble a circus.

DiamondLube, do you have test samples we could get our hands on? If they are not free, do you have some at greatly reduced prices? Some of us would be willing to do testing of the product's qualitative as well as quantitative properties and report here. If this is truly your business, such samples would be low cost advertising. The skate lube you suggested on Ebay is the only small quantity product I see, and it looks like it is not your product.

What makes you say that it doesn't look like my product?

I have a bag of 1.5ml ($7) samples. left over from ShotShow 2008 that I will be happy to ship out so you can test it on a gun or two. Hit my paypal account with $3 to cover shipping and I will send anyone that wants one, one. Otherwise read the gun tests report on diamondlube.com to see what they said after testing it for a year.

We would rather see reviews posted in a place that is perceived to be impartial. The manufacturers website is not good enough for us. We want to see before and after MPG data over enough miles to be significant, along with accounting for wind, temperature, and routes.

Like this: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ery-11445.html. ABA testing is impractical with your product, but well documented AB testing will clearly show a 5% improvement in mileage.

Dip your projectiles in it and test the difference in velocity with a chronograph.

regards
Mech

Unfortunately, that is not a good test. Just like when using Molly to coat a bullet, the velocity slows down. This is because the bullet slides too easily and doesn't build up enough pressure behind it. It is common to add more grains of powder in order to bring the velocity backup to the uncoated bullets speed. Fouling and barrel wear however is kept to a minimum when using a coating like molly. I would assume that this would work in the same manner.

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No, you're just too stupid to understand the science behind it! ;)

Here's my offer. Give me a Diamond Lube kit for my truck. I'll test it for a year (summer 2014 and winter 2014/2015) and add the results to my build thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...yon-17070.html. A 3% improvement will show up, a 5% improvement will jump out. Slightly over 10% will get me the 40 MPG summer mileage that I would really like to get.

If it gives me 5% MPG improvement, I'll then pay you double your current list price. Put up or shut up.

The skate lube packaging . . .
 

. . . looked like a consumer level package (blister pack, etc. ) while the transport packaging is industrial. The Diamond Lube trade name slipped me.

Thank you for the offer.
 

I am trying to think up a test that can make use of such a small amount and be relevant to what we do here on Ecomodder.

It seems this could be tested on an air cooled lawn mower engine. I think it would easy to test.
1: Before & after torque required to turn motor with & without plug.
2: Measure idle Rpm before & after
3: measure Oil temp before & after
4: measure head temperature before & after


Just an idea to throw out there.