HHO project for high school (vx?)
Hi all,
So, I teach high school auto shop and I am considering setting up an HHO system for a high school project. The idea is that we would build a system as a class and then try to test the results on one or two vehicles. I know there has been a lot of mixed opinions on the topic, so I thought it would be a good project to try to set up some good scientific test cases. A couple of questions I have for you guys- 1) does anybody have any suggestions on how we could run accurate tests? I know there has been a lot of speculation as to whether the hydrogen is helping the fuel economy or the assisting modifications. 2) I am hoping to try it out on both a carburated and a fuel injected vehicle. But for the fuel injected vehicle, I had considered using my own Civic VX. my main question is, in theory, how will it work on a lean burn motor? It may be a total bust, but either way it will be a good experience for the kids... |
It'll be a good experience if you can sort out a solid testing method, otherwise it'll only be confusion at best, misinformation at worst!
I take it there's no dyno available in this shop. |
No dyno, but there are plenty of practical power tests we can run.
I.e. time it takes to accelerate from 1500-4000rpm in 3rd gear. I have mpguino for the civic and for the carbureted vehicle I am prepared to drain the gas tank, put in a measured 2 gallons, run a controlled test of driving a specific distance at a steady vacuum reading and then drain the tank to see what we have left. (Or just see the average change over a period of a few tanks of freeway driving.) I cannot deny that there is a part of me that hopes to find some credibility to it, but I'll be happy to have solid results either way. |
You might start by having your students read this thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ery-11445.html
I suggest that be followed by a written test. Only those that get a good grade, say a solid B, get to build and test the gadget. Or better yet, follow up with this thread: http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...-mpg-5170.html and have them pick a modification to build and test. |
Fail!
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Not very constructive... |
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Try to build something similar to tank that Mythbusters are using in their tests. Mythbusters I think that will be the most accurate method of measuring FE. I wouldn't trust MPGuino in this case if you want to be sure of the numbers you'll get. |
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Step 1: Drive the alternator connected to your HHO cell with an electric motor. Step 2: Measure the power out ( Volts X Amps ) of the alternator. Step 3: Measure the power used by the electric motor ( Volts X Amps ) to drive the the alternator. Step 4: Divide the value obtained in step 2 by the value in step 3. Step 5: Realize that your HHO cell is only 75% efficient. Step 6: Realize that only 30% of the HHO energy gets converted to usable power in the engine. Step 7: Realize you only get 1/7th (at best) the energy back of what you put in. |
It is the discovery process that is most important. Or it could be the research process which could save all the effort of the fab and testing processes.
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...typically, "burnt fingers" teach far more than book-learning "theory."
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