Hold your horses: Electric cars won’t go mainstream, Honda says
 

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Hold your horses: Electric cars won’t go mainstream, Honda says

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/h...ainstream/?amp




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Don’t ditch gasoline just yet: BMW argues electric cars are overhyped

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/b...are-overhyped/


It appears that the last nail in the coffin of Internal Combustion Engine will be further down the road.

Well, at least for Honda and BMW.




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Well, obvi.

EVs have a $7,500+ subsidy and represent 1% of US sales. Can you imagine what would happen, if for instance, the Honda Accord was given a $7,500 subsidy. 90% of all vehicles sold would be a Honda Accord then.

The batteries have to get better/cheaper. If it's just incremental improvements like we've seen, it will be some time before they overtake ICE sales. On the other hand, if a breakthrough occurs, such as the hype surrounding solid state batteries, then they might overtake ICE sales relatively quickly.

My WAG is 2035 to hit 50% sales. We'll see more plug-in hybrids in the meantime.

Toyota said the same thing.

Then you combine the limited winter range with local governments taxing the **** out of them and you get what we have.

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Hmmm...


Ford and GM’s decision to abandon small cars is already costing them.


https://jalopnik.com/ford-and-gms-de...ady-1839858417



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Honda has stated for years that they will never sell a small car in the us again

Not for a long time.
Today electric makes up less than 3% of new car sales, still less than 1% of cars on the road are electric.
Heck even the DoE figures by 2030 that 70% of new cars sold will still be straight gas burners, 10% will be all electric and the rest will be some made up of hybrid and plug in hybrid.

Yes, but Toyota, F-C, and GM are against California maintaining its own standards, so it is costing them?

It's a matter of battery, everything it's about battery and not the electric car itself.

If a battery with high energy density, to drive 300 miles or more, with low price, fast charging, and eco friendly arrive, electric cars will became the "electric boomer" generation of vehicles.

With a affordable battery, the other components of electric car, if mass production take the helm, became quite cheap.

I isn't a matter of when expect industry to start mass production of electric cars, but a matter o when affordable high density battery will become reality.

Nowadays, most major automakers can make some "driveable" EV relying mostly on off-the-shelf components. Results may not be outstanding, but it's doable.

Yes, but actual batteries are a limitation for range. You can make something as Tesla do, but with a scarring cost.
Tesla it's as affordable as a yacht. Their batteries are ultra expensive and last just few years.

But you can make a small short range electric car. Unfortunatelly people don't want small short range vehicles. Consumers, specially in USA, have that "freudian complex syndrome with big things".

Desperate times call for desperate vehicular architecture. Both American pure electric manufacturers utilize folded, laser-cut sheet metal for the monocoque body or backbone chassis.

It's like the trade-off in power/weight. If you can't change the battery, change the thing that carries it around.

Yeah I like to park the leaf next to big pickups to help them feel bigger.
But then when I pull a trailer load of wood or a load of tiles some how that's a challenge to their masculinity. I feel like some of them go buy a bigger pickup when they see an electric car pulling more than their short bed haf tun can carry.

Your Leaf also pulls more than it can carry.

Yeah it pulled 1,400lb of tiles almost like it wasn't there.

When it comes to towing capacity, I don't think anything matches the Dannar 4.0, but just off-highway — like fording 4' of water with 0.5 Megawatt of battery power.

Posted without comment? Hasn't Ford suggested a rematch?

HyperChange:Redwood Materials & Tesla’s Battery Recycling Plans
The car of the future will have a million-mile body that only needs batteries, interior, and brakes (like the GT-40) replacement. I used to work in the electronics recycling industry. It was bad enough with CRTs before electric cars appeared.

Yes, but Ford backs off Tesla Cybertruck tug-of-war rematch challenge, but Musk is doing it anyway

Fox was simply the first Google result.

Did you guys know that Dyson was building an electric car? Don't get excited, they already quit! Dyson has scrapped its electric car project

Well, he sure tried harder than I ever have. He determined that it simply wasn't commercially viable.

Hybrid makes sense. Metro area.
All electric never did.

Vehicle spec is loaded with you, your family and with luggage/supplies sufficient to get far, far away.

Less than this in vehicle choice is total failure. Black/White when considering the limited net income today’s family's have.

One chance to get it right.

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I think generally a regular hybrid with a small battery makes more sense than all electric for most people.

That is one end of a spectrum, at the other you have getting groceries.

I'm OK with some bare-bones small vehicles, but a short range is a compromise I wouldn't be willing to deal with.

Had something similar to this been able to sustain a speed more suitable to road traffic, I wouldn't disconsider :D
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BQAdo20Nw...%2Bperuano.jpg

I saw a lot of similar vehicles in Peru with Batman stickers on them. I asked what the deal with the batman stickers was, and they asked what batman was.

https://monochrome.sutic.nu/2012/01/...-of-taxis1.jpg

I have already seen plenty of utility tricycles in Brazil and Uruguay, just didn't have seen any of this Peruvian type before. What also surprised me is this one was repurposed from its passenger-carrying design into some sort of motorized hot dog cart.

Definitely a way to go yet before customers start clamouring for electric vehicles instead of regulators twisting their arm to do so. A Leaf does something like 125MPGe, yet our Volvo can deliver 120MPG imp actual, and if you don't mind driving it in regular hybrid mode it can be refuelled in about a minute and has a range of over double that of the Leaf without refuelling.

So if the choice is down to the consumer alone without any regulatory pressure, why would they bother?

I would.

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...6-124-1182.jpg

Honda
 

Looks like Honda Motor Corporation has outlived its usefulness to society,and a reason they'll be getting nothing from me in the future.

Weight and traction win in tug of war. The cybertruck is most certainly heavier, and 4wd. The Ford may have been 4wd, but it certainly didn't look like it.

Getting a larger vehicle than necessary just for these long trips doesn't necessarily make sense. Of course it all depends on how frequent these trips are, but a yearly vacation does not necessitate a large vehicle. Getting a rental is not the end of the world. Selling a vehicle to get a more appropriate vehicle is also not the end of the world.


Please tell me you are joking.

Honda has done so much for efficiency. CVCC, Lean burn, VTEC, refusing to make vehicles with more than 6 cylinders, making CARS mainstream, making one of the first hybrids, adopting OHV and OHC for lawn equipment while Briggs continued to make flatheads...

At the very least protest ford or chevy for pushing trucks and SUVs while killing off smaller options.

There are very few car companies which also make motorcycles(an alternative....), and Honda is one of them. One prominent efficient bike being the NC750X.

Way back in 2012 and around that time, the number of Nissan Leaves on the road was insane. It was typical to see two per mile traveled. This was back when Nissan was running a great lease deal with tax credit, which lots of people jumped on. Nowadays, I hardly see leaves anymore. Where did they go? I have no idea.

The Honda of today is not much of an innovator. When electric cars take a higher portion of the market, they will inevitably step it up.

I don't know if I would go that far because they do have a point.
It is projected by DoE that even by 2030 that 70% of all passenger auto sales will still be straight nonhybrid gas burners.
It could be 2050 before pure electric takes half the market.

Too bad the SUV craze has almost ended the availability of reasonable vehicles in countries such as Brazil. In the summer when there are lots of tourists from neighboring countries with a greater availability of small vans, most noticeably Argentina, it's easy to figure out how much more efficient some of those vans are compared to slightly larger SUVs.


Just look at the beauty I spotted yesterday :D
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0zDGl1BYQ...Bdianteira.jpg

Aerohead, what is the newest vehicle that you have bought? :)

Poe's law. At times lately, it's hard to decypher. OTOH in the climate change thread he's just flat wrong. :)

So you're saying there are other, possibly more determinative, reasons?

And haven't all manufacturers other than Tesla and Arcimoto outlived their usefulness?

A hybrid paired with an EV should work pretty well for many couples.

It worked well for my wife and I. (Before she switched to a bicycle)

https://images.summitmedia-digital.c...TESTJUN_21.jpg

Six to seven hour drive.

Five up.

Luggage and supplies for four days' stay (anything more is useless. You can wash clothes for reuse).

Need to move anything bigger, and you can rent something.

No sense in buying capacity you aren't going to use 99.9% of the time. Hell, most people drive alone 99.9% of the time.

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https://britsinthephilippines.top/wp...RE-Tuk-tuk.jpg

Since the widespread introduction of these things around two or three years ago, sales have taken off like wildfire. Cheap to buy, cheap to run, take up very little road space, high utility....

I wouldn't disconsider to buy one if it ever gets available in Brazil once again, but I'd be inclined to swap its engine for a 250cc Yamaha and to make a full enclosure.