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Old 11-18-2019, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hold your horses: Electric cars wont go mainstream, Honda says

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Hold your horses: Electric cars wont go mainstream, Honda says

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EVs will not be mainstream, company boss Takahiro Hachigo bluntly told industry trade journal Automotive News. His comments echo the ones made earlier in 2019 by Klaus Frlich, BMWs chief engineer. Hachigo also cast doubts on autonomous tech. The hurdles to battery electric vehicles and complete autonomous driving are still quite high, he added.

While Hachigo acknowledged the need to make cleaner cars, he explained Honda will focus on gasoline-electric hybrid systems to reduce its fleetwide emissions. The technology is seen by some as a compromise, but its a good one because it reduces fuel consumption (and, consequently, emissions) without the range limitations and long charging times associated with many electric cars. The executive opined that regulations, not demand, is driving electric car sales.
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I do not believe there will be a dramatic increase in demand for battery vehicles, and I believe this situation is true globally. There are issues with infrastructure and hardware. There are different regulations in different countries, and we have to abide by them. So, its a must to continue research and development, but I dont believe it will become mainstream anytime soon, he stated. He also ruled out forging a partnership with a rival to develop battery-powered cars.


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Dont ditch gasoline just yet: BMW argues electric cars are overhyped

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BMW is spending millions of dollars developing electric cars that motorists dont want to buy, according to the head of its research and development. The German company needs to add battery-powered cars to its portfolio to comply with the draconian emissions regulations coming into effect soon in the early 2020s in key markets, including Europe, but it doesnt expect electric cars will outsell gasoline-powered models anytime soon.

There is no customer request for battery-electric vehicles. There are regulator requests for battery-electric vehicles, explained Klaus Frlich, the man who oversees BMWs research efforts, in an interview with Australian website Motoring.
It appears that the last nail in the coffin of Internal Combustion Engine will be further down the road.

Well, at least for Honda and BMW.







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Old 11-18-2019, 08:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, obvi.

EVs have a $7,500+ subsidy and represent 1% of US sales. Can you imagine what would happen, if for instance, the Honda Accord was given a $7,500 subsidy. 90% of all vehicles sold would be a Honda Accord then.

The batteries have to get better/cheaper. If it's just incremental improvements like we've seen, it will be some time before they overtake ICE sales. On the other hand, if a breakthrough occurs, such as the hype surrounding solid state batteries, then they might overtake ICE sales relatively quickly.

My WAG is 2035 to hit 50% sales. We'll see more plug-in hybrids in the meantime.
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Old 11-18-2019, 09:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Toyota said the same thing.

Then you combine the limited winter range with local governments taxing the **** out of them and you get what we have.
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Ford and GMs decision to abandon small cars is already costing them.


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Ford and GMs decision to abandon small cars is already costing them.


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Honda has stated for years that they will never sell a small car in the us again
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Not for a long time.
Today electric makes up less than 3% of new car sales, still less than 1% of cars on the road are electric.
Heck even the DoE figures by 2030 that 70% of new cars sold will still be straight gas burners, 10% will be all electric and the rest will be some made up of hybrid and plug in hybrid.
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Yes, but Toyota, F-C, and GM are against California maintaining its own standards, so it is costing them?
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It's a matter of battery, everything it's about battery and not the electric car itself.

If a battery with high energy density, to drive 300 miles or more, with low price, fast charging, and eco friendly arrive, electric cars will became the "electric boomer" generation of vehicles.

With a affordable battery, the other components of electric car, if mass production take the helm, became quite cheap.

I isn't a matter of when expect industry to start mass production of electric cars, but a matter o when affordable high density battery will become reality.

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With a affordable battery, the other components of electric car, if mass production take the helm, became quite cheap.
Nowadays, most major automakers can make some "driveable" EV relying mostly on off-the-shelf components. Results may not be outstanding, but it's doable.
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Yes, but actual batteries are a limitation for range. You can make something as Tesla do, but with a scarring cost.
Tesla it's as affordable as a yacht. Their batteries are ultra expensive and last just few years.

But you can make a small short range electric car. Unfortunatelly people don't want small short range vehicles. Consumers, specially in USA, have that "freudian complex syndrome with big things".

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Nowadays, most major automakers can make some "driveable" EV relying mostly on off-the-shelf components. Results may not be outstanding, but it's doable.


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