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Cd 10-13-2015 09:33 AM

How important is a strong ignition spark for FE
 
My '93 Civic fires right up every single time - sometimes the instant i turn the key.
Most of the time i don't even hear the starter.
However, the car has always had a very weak spark in several ( if not all ) cylinders .
Power seems weak, but this is an old car with a lot of miles. The car I'd also an automatic.
the distributor is new, the wires and plugs as well.

Will i see a big FE Improvement by fixing the issue ?

pgfpro 10-13-2015 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cd (Post 496386)
My '93 Civic fires right up every single time - sometimes the instant i turn the key.
Most of the time i don't even hear the starter.
However, the car has always had a very weak spark in several ( if not all ) cylinders .
Power seems weak, but this is an old car with a lot of miles. The car I'd also an automatic.
the distributor is new, the wires and plugs as well.

Will i see a big FE Improvement by fixing the issue ?

What is the condition of the ground wire on the cylinder head. You can a simple test by taking some jumper cables and making four extra temporary grounds then recheck spark.

Cd 10-13-2015 01:45 PM

The ground wire is in great shape, and I even added another ( very small ) ground wire.
Old Mech had suggested looking at the grounds some time ago as well.

What puzzles me is that the car fires right up. If there was a grounding problem, or a problem with the distributor, wouldn't there be some problems starting the car ?

Daox 10-13-2015 01:58 PM

How do you know it has a weak spark?

Cd 10-13-2015 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daox (Post 496419)
How do you know it has a weak spark?

Well it felt pretty weak when i touched it.


....
....what :D

( Not being a jerk, just my lame attempt at humor )


I tested the spark plugs and when the car is cranked, there is a pale orange spark. Quite weak.
Ideally, it should be a bright blue.

Commercials for Splitfire type plugs would have you believe that some of your fuel is wasted if you have poor spark.
Is there any truth to that ?

If the fuel ignites, then it is on fire...no matter if the spark was weak or not.... right ?

UFO 10-13-2015 08:13 PM

That's what I'd think, unless it was weak enough to cause an occasional misfire.

ksa8907 10-13-2015 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cd (Post 496449)
Well it felt pretty weak when i touched it.


....
....what :D

( Not being a jerk, just my lame attempt at humor )


I tested the spark plugs and when the car is cranked, there is a pale orange spark. Quite weak.
Ideally, it should be a bright blue.

Commercials for Splitfire type plugs would have you believe that some of your fuel is wasted if you have poor spark.
Is there any truth to that ?

If the fuel ignites, then it is on fire...no matter if the spark was weak or not.... right ?

What is the gap set to? You mentioned that you have good grounds but what about a good supply voltage?

markweatherill 10-14-2015 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cd (Post 496449)
when the car is cranked, there is a pale orange spark. Quite weak.
Ideally, it should be a bright blue.

Try it with the engine running. You may see a difference!

Cd 10-14-2015 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ksa8907 (Post 496455)
What is the gap set to? You mentioned that you have good grounds but what about a good supply voltage?

Gap is set to factory specs. Supply voltage ....hmmm...well I need to test that.
The distributor ( which has a coil built in ) / plugs and wires are all new.

I'll recheck the grounds again this weekend. I just looked it up, and there are a lot more than I thought : http://honda-tech.com/attachments/ho...-98-ground.jpg

Cd 10-14-2015 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by markweatherill (Post 496479)
Try it with the engine running. You may see a difference!

How do you do that ?

wdb 10-14-2015 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markweatherill (Post 496479)
Try it with the engine running. You may see a difference!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cd (Post 496482)
How do you do that ?

Indeed! An extra spark plug perhaps.

markweatherill 10-14-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cd (Post 496482)
How do you do that ?

You remove one spark plug, lay it on the engine or hold it there (carefully)somehow so it has good ground connection, start the engine and run it, long enough to see what the spark is like. I'm sure there are videos on Youtube that explain it better. :)

Alternatively, there's a device called a Gunson Colortune, I had one years ago.

Baltothewolf 10-14-2015 03:53 PM

Close the gap on all the spark plugs by .02-.04 (depending on what stock is supposed to be). On my Fox (prior to going forced induction) I went from the .54 that was stock down to .50. It seemed to have better throttle response at higher rpm ranges. I run .34 now due to FI.

Cd 10-14-2015 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markweatherill (Post 496503)
You remove one spark plug, lay it on the engine or hold it there (carefully)somehow so it has good ground connection, start the engine and run it, long enough to see what the spark is like. I'm sure there are videos on Youtube that explain it better. :)

Alternatively, there's a device called a Gunson Colortune, I had one years ago.

I tested the spark this way, but never let the car actually run more than a second.
It shudders and kicks, and sounds awful, so I always shut it down if it does happen to start on just 3cyls.

Surely running the car on 3cyl is bad for the car !


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