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Old 10-13-2015, 09:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question How important is a strong ignition spark for FE

My '93 Civic fires right up every single time - sometimes the instant i turn the key.
Most of the time i don't even hear the starter.
However, the car has always had a very weak spark in several ( if not all ) cylinders .
Power seems weak, but this is an old car with a lot of miles. The car I'd also an automatic.
the distributor is new, the wires and plugs as well.

Will i see a big FE Improvement by fixing the issue ?

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:03 AM   #2 (permalink)
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My '93 Civic fires right up every single time - sometimes the instant i turn the key.
Most of the time i don't even hear the starter.
However, the car has always had a very weak spark in several ( if not all ) cylinders .
Power seems weak, but this is an old car with a lot of miles. The car I'd also an automatic.
the distributor is new, the wires and plugs as well.

Will i see a big FE Improvement by fixing the issue ?
What is the condition of the ground wire on the cylinder head. You can a simple test by taking some jumper cables and making four extra temporary grounds then recheck spark.
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The ground wire is in great shape, and I even added another ( very small ) ground wire.
Old Mech had suggested looking at the grounds some time ago as well.

What puzzles me is that the car fires right up. If there was a grounding problem, or a problem with the distributor, wouldn't there be some problems starting the car ?
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Old 10-13-2015, 01:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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How do you know it has a weak spark?
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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How do you know it has a weak spark?
Well it felt pretty weak when i touched it.


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....what

( Not being a jerk, just my lame attempt at humor )


I tested the spark plugs and when the car is cranked, there is a pale orange spark. Quite weak.
Ideally, it should be a bright blue.

Commercials for Splitfire type plugs would have you believe that some of your fuel is wasted if you have poor spark.
Is there any truth to that ?

If the fuel ignites, then it is on fire...no matter if the spark was weak or not.... right ?
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That's what I'd think, unless it was weak enough to cause an occasional misfire.
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Well it felt pretty weak when i touched it.


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I tested the spark plugs and when the car is cranked, there is a pale orange spark. Quite weak.
Ideally, it should be a bright blue.

Commercials for Splitfire type plugs would have you believe that some of your fuel is wasted if you have poor spark.
Is there any truth to that ?

If the fuel ignites, then it is on fire...no matter if the spark was weak or not.... right ?
What is the gap set to? You mentioned that you have good grounds but what about a good supply voltage?
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when the car is cranked, there is a pale orange spark. Quite weak.
Ideally, it should be a bright blue.
Try it with the engine running. You may see a difference!
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What is the gap set to? You mentioned that you have good grounds but what about a good supply voltage?
Gap is set to factory specs. Supply voltage ....hmmm...well I need to test that.
The distributor ( which has a coil built in ) / plugs and wires are all new.

I'll recheck the grounds again this weekend. I just looked it up, and there are a lot more than I thought :
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Try it with the engine running. You may see a difference!
How do you do that ?

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