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freebeard 04-10-2023 06:12 PM

I had a dome idea.
 
....again. Happens every once in a while.

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...27-edge-up.png

I had just added two antennae to the top to call out the edge vertex orientation, when I lost control of the software. ....again. So I grabbed a screenshot, and added a high-pass filter in GIMP to bump the contrast. No HDRI lighting and verdant lanscaping yet.

But I can use this to point out some advantages of the edge vertex orientation, which is free to everyone, but sadly un-used.

One advantage is bilateral symmetry. This means there is a front and back and two sides. This answers the 'how do you put it on a square lot' question.

Every frequency has an equator. With vertex zenith only even frequencies offer a natural equator. However, if you go beyond a hemisphere, it presses inward on any stem wall (or multi-stories) so no compression ring is required.

Also, consider the eight triangles below either of the antennae. Those could be projected into a gable end. The result would be an inflato-A-frame.

freebeard 04-10-2023 06:50 PM

Whilst I'm at it....

I reopened an old .OBJ and displayed it to show the construction:

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...small-shed.png

The five projected diamonds are 2/5ths of the pentagons. If the connection is engieenred at the junction, these five pillars are all that's required. The five sides could all be left open.

Altenatively. The diamond prisms could be shrunk to a point at the outer edge.

freebeard 04-18-2023 04:20 PM

Currently 425 views and no comments. It's hard for me to care, under the circumstance. Anyway....

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...18-1-08-41.jpg

The edge vertex again, this time in 2v.

Note the hexagonal zenith. Two opportunities for ingess/egress. The half hex is similar to the typical extensions on a Pease/Catherdralite/Oregon design.

The gabled extension has a higher opening, possibly beneficial for smaller sizes. Sheds weather better.

I'm showing the primitives, because they're indeterminate. Once dressed with doors, windows and weathervanes it collapses the state vector. I should import these into Stable Diffusion and ask for Viturvian greebling.

ai4kk 04-18-2023 07:47 PM

Oh give me a dome....where the architecture nerds roam...
Seriously, I love it...in fact, I love all houses outside the box. I just bought two acres in Washington to build my off-grid hobbit house on.
I wonder if you could base a small camper on this? I'm getting ready to head back out to WA and will be keeping my 20' camper at my property and living in my Prius wherever I get assigned.
I could also see interconnecting these to form a modular home for an intentional community

freebeard 04-18-2023 09:02 PM

Moving from deSantis' Florida to Inslee's Washington? I won't even ask. :)

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I wonder if you could base a small camper on in this?
A friend of mine built a camper in the 1970s that was egg-shaped with a flat bottoom, rear and cab-over on a 1954 Ford flatbed. Hemispherical plexiglass bubble in the roof he could stick his head in for a 360° view.

When you round off a camper or trailer, it gets small inside. If you have two acres you might built what Bucky Fuller called a sky-break bubble, basically a shed to park the camper in.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XK5M4aQxO.../s1600/sky.jpg
3.bp.blogspot.com/-XK5M4aQxOFg/UHvlGsAYnoI/AAAAAAAAJqQ/921waPSEEnk/s1600/sky.jpg

Here's the garage my parents built. A 12ft octagon stretched 6ft one way and 10ft the other. The flat rectangle roof was raised into a hip.

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...893-garage.jpg

Nine foot tall garage door for their high-top camper.

Cd 04-18-2023 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 682907)
Currently 425 views and no comments. It's hard for me to care, under the circumstance. Anyway....

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...18-1-08-41.jpg

The edge vertex again, this time in 2v.

Note the hexagonal zenith. Two opportunities for ingess/egress. The half hex is similar to the typical extensions on a Pease/Catherdralite/Oregon design.

The gabled extension has a higher opening, possibly beneficial for smaller sizes. Sheds weather better.

I'm showing the primitives, because they're indeterminate. Once dressed with doors, windows and weathervanes it collapses the state vector. I should import these into Stable Diffusion and ask for Viturvian greebling.

Just now seeing this.
You are really good at modeling.

freebeard 04-18-2023 10:19 PM

You don't see UV mapping, texturing, lighting and compositing. :)

Blender can dress low poly shapes like these.

So far it's the same views I was getting in Wings 3D. Back then, I had to generate the geodesic shapes in another program. Blender has a Geodesic plug-in.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/pFKaj.jpg
https://i.stack.imgur.com/pFKaj.jpg

Dome 4.2 had duals, frequency and maybe orientation, but parameters like Squish, Square X/Y, Square Z and Superformula are unknowns; probably to include superelliptic shapes.

edit:
To answr my own question:
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https://docs.blender.org › manual › en › latest › addons › add_mesh › geodesic_domes.html
Geodesic Domes — Blender Manual
Superformula Menu The superformula settings add a variety of settings such as pinching, twisting, inflate and more complex edit types. Reference Category: Add Mesh Description: Create Geodesic object types. Location: 3D Viewport ‣ Add ‣ Mesh File: add_mesh_geodesic_domes folder Author: Andy Housten Maintainer: To Do License: GPL Support Level:

redpoint5 04-19-2023 12:33 AM

What about grain silos as the building blocks for a house? Maybe 2 of them, with differing diameters so you could have an interior and exterior wall, with insulation between.

I think grain silos go up in a day with 2 workers.

freebeard 04-19-2023 12:59 AM

That's what Fuller did with his Dymaxion Deployment Unit. He paired a smaller conical roof with a larger cylindrical wall and added compound curve panels to make a monocoque.

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Dymaxion deployment unit
A Dymaxion deployment unit or Dymaxion House, is a structure designed in 1940 by Buckminster Fuller consisting of a 20-foot circular hut constructed of corrugated steel looking much like a yurt or the top of a metal silo. The interior was insulated and finished with wallboard, portholes and a door. The dome-like ceiling has a hole in the top and a cap for ventilation.
More at Wikipedia

Cd 04-19-2023 06:20 PM

From what I undestand, such a structure is extremely strong.
I have had thoughts of a buried Quanset hut, but this design looks easier to build.
What material would you use within each triangle ?
Also, how are square windows used ?
I'm seriously interested.

freebeard 04-19-2023 06:51 PM

The geodesic geometry is a theoretical optimum. Each vertex is surrounded by a ring of vertexes, each edge surrounded by edges, faces by faces, yada, yada....

Ease of construction depends on the materials and methods used.

As for materials, in the 1980s we used plywood. Today I'd favor something that gets delivered in drums.

Square windows? Windows are either for light or views. A lantern at the zenith can illuminate the entire interior. View windows can be integrated -- take a hexagon, divide into two triangles and a rectangle. Let you imagination run wild from there.

Fuller's Flys Eye domes relied on a circular opening. Those can be glazed with an ETFE pillow restrained with a hoop.

[As for Blender, it looks like I need to turn on Screen Space Reflections -- if I can find that. :confused:]

redpoint5 04-19-2023 06:57 PM

I wouldn't want windows on any vertical curve because you don't want to have to rely entirely on the seals to keep water out, and can't easily incorporate a proper eave that rejects summer sunlight, but accepts winter.

That's partly why I'm more inclined to a silo house than a dome. Getting glass curved just so would be a pita, and the eves wouldn't be a straight forward, but at least you're dealing with a fixed vertical plane. From the photo above, it seems the problem of curved glass was probably solved by just making the windows so tiny they could be flat without posing much issue.

freebeard 04-19-2023 07:47 PM

Your asking the window to do the job of a lantern or cupola.

The home my parents built in 1980. Two solutions employed, the dormer and the window that projects through the eave line [don't know the name, it was popular locally 150 years ago].

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...toshoppped.jpg

Other solutions exist.
https://www.veluxusa.com
Quote:

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Methods:
  • I'd create two or more forms (plywood or whatever) and cast shallow hexagonal pyramids.
  • Transport them to the site and asemble into compund curve 1/5th hemispheres.
  • Erect a mast at gound zero, array the five panels around it so their adjacent corners can be bound.
  • All five are winched upward until they interlock and are suspended above the ground; ground anchors are attached with clevises to align and apply tension.
  • The mast gets a spiral stair, the pentagon opening gets a[n f-in] yurt, and the five triangular openings at ground level get a deck that hinges upward into a storm shutter.
From 2015:
https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...1-hausboot.png

freebeard 04-20-2023 03:43 AM

I lost control of the sofware again. This was where it choked.

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...0-untitled.jpg

Rudimental lighting, but I still can't make a transparent window. :( These are products of the Geodesic plug-in, tweaked in various ways.

redpoint5 04-20-2023 12:38 PM

My guess is alternatives to rectangular homes won't become more popular until 3D printing homes becomes a thing. So long as materials come in sheets and straight boards, right angles become the simplest way to build and minimize materials waste.

freebeard 04-20-2023 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by myself
As for materials, in the 1980s we used plywood. Today I'd favor something that gets delivered in drums.

How about that Starship?

redpoint5 04-20-2023 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 683016)
How about that Starship?

Just watched it, and somehow that was more exciting than anything else I've seen (wasn't around for moon landing).

Didn't realize they were planning to have lunar orbits and possibly a moon landing by 2025. That's just around the corner.

freebeard 04-20-2023 03:09 PM

The part I liked was the crowd counting down the last ten seconds. That, and every scence fiction movie so far hasn't had that cloud of water vapor surrounding the launch vehicle.

Stage 0 survived. How many days to roll the next one out?

edit:
I was around for the Moon landing, but I was what they called 'incountry' at the time, so the signal came down to the Philipines, was piped to the whole World; and eventally made it to the one-time Republic of South Vietanam.

OTOH I heard the news about Sputnik on my new transistor radio one morning before I came downstairs for breakfast.

Ontopic:
Here's a picture from 2019 of the 1/5th hemispheres described at Permalink #13

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...kcipdahdml.jpg

My Ender3 is currently inoperative.

freebeard 04-21-2023 04:19 PM

Further on the edge vertex orientation. Here's a dome on a square foundation:

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...21-1-06-26.png

The shell to the right shows the interior space. A 3v hex-pent is essentailly 2.5v in roundness. The four half-equilateral triangles are not-necessarily-load-bearing, so two are modified to center an entrance on the porch.

The porch is shallow to be really usable -- increase it with a eave line connecting the front and rear to maintain a square plan.


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