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suspectnumber961 08-30-2012 07:05 AM

It's all over but for the sweating?
Global Warming “Irreversible”, Warns Scientific Body | Care2 Causes

Governments, corporations and individuals could cut greenhouse gas emissions today, and it would still be too late to stave off disaster. What is left to us now is mitigation and adaptation. That is the conclusion of the American Meteorological Society (AMS) in an Information Statement published August 20, 2012.

Their conclusions are yet more confirmation that the dire predictions of the 1972 report, “Limits to Growth”, were accurate. The MIT researchers who prepared that publication had entered a variety of population and economic scenarios into a computer model. Most of the scenarios resulted in the same outcome: the collapse of the global economy in 2030.


There is unequivocal evidence that Earth’s lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities. This scientific finding is based on a large and persuasive body of research. The observed warming will be irreversible for many years into the future, and even larger temperature increases will occur as greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere. Avoiding this future warming will require a large and rapid reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions. The ongoing warming will increase risks and stresses to human societies, economies, ecosystems, and wildlife through the 21st century and beyond, making it imperative that society respond to a changing climate.

The Climate Breakdown Is Right Here, Right Now | Alternet

Our governments do nothing. Having abandoned any pretence of responding to the environmental crisis during the earth summit in June, now they stare stupidly as the ice on which we stand dissolves. Nothing – or worse than nothing. Their one unequivocal response to the melting has been to facilitate the capture of the oil and fish it exposes.

And LAST, but not can even vote for MORE of it: :D

Romney's New Energy Plan Would Doom Humanity | Alternet

So what does a Romney-Ryan ticket look like for the environment? It looks like we'll be on the fast-track to the top of the list for more "hottest" and "driest" records for our climate, while making sure Big Oil continues to top the "richest" lists as well.
And the feeling's mutual -- the AP reported that Romney pocketed $7 million just this week from industry executives in Texas.

Personally, I expect to be near to or have passed on to the great beyond by 2030...but I will pass with the knowledge that there are forum members in their 20s who are going to be able to enjoy the full impact of all this in their 40s...all the while trying to DENY it is even happening. :thumbup: And good luck with that.....:D:D:D

oil pan 4 08-30-2012 07:29 AM

Thanks for reassuring us there is no point to try to curb CO2 emmissions, in addition to all the other reasons.

suspectnumber961 08-30-2012 07:36 AM

We aliens...just like Mitt Romney...are always trying to be helpful. :rolleyes:

And...on the bright side (well maybe NOT so bright?) might even have 20 yr old children by then. Hunger Games anyone?

oil pan 4 08-30-2012 08:08 AM

Isn't 2030 about when the carbon cap and tax takes full effect over in europe, at least for the countries that got scammed into it?
Because cheap energy and economic collapse in developed countries are two terms that you normally never see together.
Cheap energy was one of the main driving factors in the economic super boom in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

If they slap taxes on everying carbon related and shut down any commerce that involves long distance phyical movement then yes I agree there will be an economic collapse.

The only “Limits to Growth” I see on the horizon are those that ration what domestic soured cheap energy we do have for irrational reasons and encourage hyper expensive under producing "alternatives" or "renewables".
I dont think people realize these hyper expensive alternatives eat up capital that could be invested else where.
That cheap energy pumps water and makes fertilizer for crops, makes steel and concrete.
Now by rationing energy you effectively reduced food production and slowed national growth/development. I don't believe for a second that this is unintended.

Big Dave 08-30-2012 12:14 PM

When all anybody can think of as remedies are more taxes, more regs, and transferring big bucks through the hyper-corrupt UN, did you really expect anyone to bite on that?

I guess we'll find out if the AGW crowd was right or full of it. I think the latter.

Big Dave 08-30-2012 12:19 PM

Make no mistake, the US could reduce CO2 emissions by converting our electric power generation to nuclear (getting over Fukushima hysteria) and electrifying our mainline freight railroads and Interstate truck lanes.

Can anybody really visualize China (the world's No. 1 emitter) reducing CO2 emissions?

But the enormous reductions some of the AGW crowd was calling for would simply bring about certain economic collapse. Better to chance AGW than the remedies proposed. Possible disaster is better than certain disaster.

oil pan 4 08-30-2012 12:19 PM

Well they were nearly dead wrong with the "hole in the Ozone" and I expect this movement to fall pretty close to that one.

oil pan 4 08-30-2012 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by Big Dave (Post 324853)
Can anybody really visualize China (the world's No. 1 emitter) reducing CO2 emissions?

Visualize me rolling on the floor laughing.

freebeard 08-30-2012 02:10 PM

oil pan 4 -- II thought the ozone hole mended because *we did something*. Kind of like Y2K.

My money's on runaway greenhouse effect punctuated by an asteroid and new Ice Age. One or the other might not get us, but the whiplash will.

t vago 08-30-2012 05:21 PM

U.S. Carbon Dioxide Emissions at 20-Year Low Thanks to Fracking

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