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KWTrucker 08-25-2010 09:52 PM

Kenworth Truck--air dam
 
Greetings,

I run a KW T600 truck and step deck trailer. It is not practical to skin the underbody of the truck, though perhaps it might be for the trailer. I would like to pursue an air dam for the truck and have continuous tool boxes to install down each side of the trailer to provide storage and skirting.

The issues raised in "Aerodynamics of Road Vehicles" conclude that an air dam will help up to a certain "height" (they discuss the height in relation to how far it hangs down from the bumper) but after it exceeds that height (i.e. gets too close to the ground) the effect becomes detrimental.

Further, there is reference to the work of W. H. Hucho, et al, where it was demonstrated that an air dam by itself (properly designed) reduced drag by 2%. They then added sort of a mustache dropping down just slightly from the from lip of the hood. This also achieved a 2% drag reduction. However, when these two mods were combined, a total dray reduction of 8% was achieved. (Lift was also reduced, though this is little concern for my truck).

Is anyone familiar with this combination or concept? The references in the book include 4 basic drawings (dimensionless) and sort of a fleeting reference to "properly designed" being necessary.

Any help in reducing the learning curve would be appreciated.

usergone 08-25-2010 11:09 PM

Some "moon eye" hubcaps would probably be good on all the outside wheels. If you can, switch to a more round front set of mirrors (assuming you have flat front ones now). If you have a "visor" on the outside of the cab, get rid of that if possible. When hauling around, move the goose neck hitch as close to the cab as is practical, to reduce the gap between truck and trailer. Put covers over the "bucket" headlights and other "holes" in the front bumper.

Some pics of the rig and trailer would help us see places that could use improvement. Also I'm sure most of us would be interested in seeing a gaslog (depressing, I'm sure, but interesting nonetheless)

How extreme are you willing to go? Is this your truck or a company owned one?

You could re-route the exhaust stacks to remain underneath the truck and exit by the (truck's) rear axles. Switch to "super singles" if you don't have them already. I'm sure that some kind of a "trailing edge" attachment for the back of the cab could be made, but I have no idea how to go about that or what shape they should be.

I know that driving a truck is very different from driving a car, but you could cruise with the engine below the powerband to consume less fuel. I'm not saying to lug it out of every gear, but when you aren't using much power (IE, cruising) you could keep the RPMs low.

autoteach 08-26-2010 12:00 AM

Well, to help the mirror issue, you could use a camera setup. By eliminating your mirrors and installing cameras you would significantly reduce drag (I have a bus, and the mirrors are almost as much frontal area as most auto front windows). The advice of cleaning up the front end is good advice as well.
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With a diesel, turbo pressure increases efficiency. Dont lug the engine, but try being more patient on the road instead(i.e. sometimes we pass for no good reason).

As for the trailer, I dont know how much time you spend hauling a load, or not hauling, but it may be worth it to close up the wake of the truck. I am thinking of a wedge like device that goes from height A by the truck and decreases to deck height, or height B over some distance, C. Making it easily collapsible and storable would be the only thing that would be difficult. Good luck!

Danncomm 08-26-2010 12:02 AM

Don't forget you can go to super singles for the drives and trailer. The steer tires can go to 100psi and the drives to 105, if you are not in the habit of curb hopping you can go to 110 on the trailer to reduce rolling resistance if you are running duels. I had run as high as 120 in both drives and trailer before but it didn't seem to make any difference as far as mileage, but made a difference in ride so went back to 105 and 110. This was on Bridgestone 22 inch standard rubber. Guys running 22 and 24 inch low profile tires reported much the same results.

If you have side fairings on the tanks, look into adding another 4-6 inches of a flexible material to lower the sides.

To the flaps on the sides of the sleeper, add some more material until you are about 12 inches or so from the trailer.

If you have tarp loads, try to mold the tarps with the load to try to keep it as smooth as possible.

I have not driven trucks now for 10 years, so some of the tech on the tires may have changed since my time.

KWTrucker 08-26-2010 12:39 AM

I have super singles on the tractor, can't get them for the trailer. I
don't have the budget/time to cut the axles and make drop axles, then
cut out the decking so the larger diameter tires would fit the
trailer. That is aside from the fact that doing so would cut up a
pretty new aluminum deck trailer, and limit some of the loads I could
haul. The trailer is basically a flatbed that drops down once it
leaves the tractor and the trailer uses ultra low profile tires. There
is little that can be done from a practical sense for aero mods to the
trailer and tractor/trailer interface as every load I haul is
different. If it was a box type trailer I would build some sort of gap
filler, round the upper edges, and skirt it, but this is a flat bed
type trailer. The exhaust is already routed under the cab, the sleeper
is mid-height which is too low for some loads, too high for others,
but practical on the inside. There are cab extenders on the sleeper
and I have considered extending these further. Mudflaps on the tractor
are drilled out just in case it makes a difference. They are also cut
down to the exact width of the super single tires. Homemade generator
(alternator running through inverter) provides standby power for
fridge, AC, sink, water supply, etc when parked. Up to about 85
degrees ambient I can used the electric AC (the one I installed for
night time/parking) in the sleeper to cool the cab as I drive, and
this lowers the engine intake air temp 8-15 degrees since the factory
AC condenser is mounted in front of the aftercooler. (When running
really really light, I can see the mpg drop slightly as the engine air
conditioner is engaged). Gearbox and differential oils are synthetic,
I am still using petroleum oil in the engine, which I change based on
analysis, typically every 40,000 miles. Flashing roof light for
oversize loads folds down behind the cab when not being used. Cruise
speed is 55 mph, 1100 rpm. (peak torque is 1200 rpm, general practice
is to gear 100-200 rpm above peak torque). Its a bit doggish at 1100
rpm, but not bad. 13 speed transmission splits the top gears in 200
rpm increments which makes the 1100 rpm feasible. Laptop monitors
engine ECM including intake air temp, fuel temp, atmospheric pressure,
tire pressure (Pressure Pro), etc. CB antenna is steel wire (smallest profile I can
find). Mirrors, hood, and cab are already "aero" though I have
wondered about trip wires at strategic locations. (I think DOT "requires" real mirrors, at least its not a fight I want to fight right now). Side winds seem to
be the absolute worst, and if you see pictures of the trailer, you
will probably instantly see why.

I own the truck and the trailer. I don't mind going pretty radical,
though I am pretty limited by time. Ground clearance is an issue,
especially RR tracks. I am planning to hang the side tool boxes so
they can both flex and lift as I high center them. Engine is
Caterpillar ACERT 15 Liter, 435 hp, 1650 ft-lb torque @ 1200 rpm,
compounded turbo intercooled and aftercooled. Average mpg over the
last year is 8.5 mpg. Industry average for this type of truck/freight
is 6.0 and some are getting as low as 4.5. The money I save in fuel
makes it practical for me to make a living doing this and leaves a bit
left over to experiment with, though time is really a bigger factor.
Whatever mods I made MUST be easily removed/hinged away, etc to
service the truck on a daily/weekly basis. The area I am trying to
focus on at this time is the lower parts of the truck, wheels on down.
I was pondering some sort of air dam, increased tractor skirting
possibly covering the super singles as they sit in just slightly as
compared to the duals, and then "skirting" the trailer with continuous
tool boxes.

Other mods in the long term are lift axle on the trailer, convert the
tractor to single drive with liftable idler. Also working on some sort
of retractable tarp for the upper deck/front part of the trailer that
would act as a gap filler for many of my loads. Also have considered
cutting up the hood to vent the air through the top, removing factory
AC and adding electric on the cab roof, and filling in the step areas.

Bottom line, it makes money now, and needs to continue to do so in the future.

How do I post pictures? thanks for the reply

Myron

KWTrucker 08-26-2010 12:47 AM

PS, for the time being, you can see some pictures of the truck, some typical loads, and ponder my daily experiences at my infrequently updated blog. Hmm, won't let me put in the link. It is bigtruckthoughts-dot-blogspot with all the correct front and end stuff.

thanks again,
Myron

autoteach 08-26-2010 01:45 AM

Myron,
I know that I am not a trucker, but if it were my setup, I would try to avoid mounting the tool boxes any lower than the frame. If you want extensions further down, use some flexible plastic or rubber. As for a gap filler, chase the huge one between the trailer and truck (lower portion behind super singles and above wheels below trailer).

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Just some ideas.

320touring 08-26-2010 07:17 AM

Awesome to see a trucker looking at Aero mods- its something that's been sorely overlooked regarding fuel efficiency.

Kudos to you for making the truck work- 8.5mpg is better than most European trucks..

autoteach seems to have a pretty good idea regarding the aero mods, but is it also woth considering rshutting off some cylinders when you're up to cruising speed?

autoteach 08-26-2010 09:28 AM

shutting off cylinders would not be a good option. I would leave engine modifications alone, and for good reason. Who wants to take out a second mortgage on an engine? Anyone? Just work on the aero, where things are cheap to do and cheap to discard or repair.

Christ 08-26-2010 11:07 AM

Shutting down cylinders in a diesel engine doesn't do much, really... the way a diesel works, the other cylinders will just "pick up the slack" and injectors will toss in some more fuel to make up for the loss of power.

Especially while hauling, this wouldn't be effective in most situations, because unlike most cars, which produce wayyyyy too much power, most larger trucks are "just right".

DonR 08-26-2010 12:39 PM

Somewhere I read about mounting a turning vane (what was essentially a cut section of pipe) at the cab roof top & at the edged of the windshield/door junction. This is supposed to turn the air so it runs down the sides of the cab & box trailer, which you don't have, more smoothly.

Here is a link to a manufacturer of "low drag" flaps. Also supposed to help rearward visibility in the rain.
Eco-Flaps

An outfit called AT Dynamics makes wheel covers & trailer skirts. The skirts wouldn't fit your trailer, but may give you some ideas if you don't use toolboxes.

Let us know what works for you. I need to work on my Inlaws & their grain truck.

Good luck
Don

davidgrey50 08-26-2010 01:44 PM

This link covers, at least in a general way, most of your questions. Freightliner unveils big rig concept showcasing future technology — Autoblog Green
Good luck!

usergone 08-26-2010 04:38 PM

Hey guys, I went and found some pics of the truck, so we can see what he's working with.

http://i33.tinypic.com/k2xvo2.jpg
http://i38.tinypic.com/2eozo1v.jpg

From the looks of things IMO you could help with an air dam (like you had in mind) and skirt the side of the truck from the end of the black step area all the way to the mudflaps. For the mirror on the passenger's side on the hood, maybe a parabolic "wind break" would help a bit.

Also, there seems to be a lot of ground clearance under the truck. How about an impact-safe skirt on the side that goes as low as possible/legal. Impact safe, meaning that you can high center without tearing it up, like some kind of rubber sheet or coroplast.

euromodder 08-26-2010 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonR (Post 190897)
Somewhere I read about mounting a turning vane (what was essentially a cut section of pipe) at the cab roof top & at the edged of the windshield/door junction. This is supposed to turn the air so it runs down the sides of the cab & box trailer, which you don't have, more smoothly.

European truck often have a vane at the lower corners of the cab (which are mostly cab-over-engines)

In the picture below they're visible on both sides of the top grill, in this Volvo pic, they're most obvious on the right side of the cab.

http://www.volvotrucks.com/SiteColle...6x303_FL_3.jpg

The sunshade at the top of the windshield performs the same task. While not always visible, they're open at the aft end where they are attached.

euromodder 08-26-2010 06:09 PM

How about Air Tabs ?
They're designed and sized for trucks after all ...

(Test on passenger cars didn't show an improvement in mpg though.)

aerohead 08-28-2010 02:13 PM

SAE Paper # 860212
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KWTrucker (Post 190761)
Greetings,

I run a KW T600 truck and step deck trailer. It is not practical to skin the underbody of the truck, though perhaps it might be for the trailer. I would like to pursue an air dam for the truck and have continuous tool boxes to install down each side of the trailer to provide storage and skirting.

The issues raised in "Aerodynamics of Road Vehicles" conclude that an air dam will help up to a certain "height" (they discuss the height in relation to how far it hangs down from the bumper) but after it exceeds that height (i.e. gets too close to the ground) the effect becomes detrimental.

Further, there is reference to the work of W. H. Hucho, et al, where it was demonstrated that an air dam by itself (properly designed) reduced drag by 2%. They then added sort of a mustache dropping down just slightly from the from lip of the hood. This also achieved a 2% drag reduction. However, when these two mods were combined, a total dray reduction of 8% was achieved. (Lift was also reduced, though this is little concern for my truck).

Is anyone familiar with this combination or concept? The references in the book include 4 basic drawings (dimensionless) and sort of a fleeting reference to "properly designed" being necessary.

Any help in reducing the learning curve would be appreciated.

Fiat's Auto Wind Tunnel Dept. researched the airdam in the above cited paper.
For 'low-drag' cars the dam created a shielding effect good for delta-Cd 0.025,but it also caused a concomitant growth of both upperbody drag ( 0.054 ),and engine-cooling-system drag ( 0.008 ).
At some point for 'dirty' underbodies,drag reduction is nullified by the braking effect of a Cd 1.11 flat plate correspondent of an airdam.
Everything has to be taken on a case-specific basis.
I would recommend you maintain standard ground clearance.And I'll get in trouble for saying it.

SvdM 08-31-2010 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 191286)
At some point for 'dirty' underbodies,drag reduction is nullified by the braking effect of a Cd 1.11 flat plate correspondent of an airdam.
Everything has to be taken on a case-specific basis.
I would recommend you maintain standard ground clearance. And I'll get in trouble for saying it.

No trouble from me Aerohead. I agree; you take something away and it gets added somewhere else - or so it seems with aerodynamics - hehe.

The link shows us how the pro's do it :) One can see that they still let a lot of air in underneath the truck, but it's nice to see how the front air-dam then drops in front of the wheels to get air going around-, rather than 'stuck' in the wheel-wells. Hence, the designers and engineers try to get the airflow over, around and under as smooth as possible whilst trying to increase the total frontal area as little as possible in the process.

Patrick 08-31-2010 01:50 PM

What's with the giant holes in the drive wheel skirts?

3-Wheeler 08-31-2010 01:56 PM

Thanks for the pictures! That helps allot to have something to look at.

The mirrors could be cleaned up by the following:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...pes-11183.html

See figure 12.

The shape should be "closing" to reduce the mirror wake size.

The shape could easily be carved from foam, but will need to be covered or painted to keep the UV from degrading the foam. Latex paint works good for this.

Hope this helps.

Jim.

Patrick 08-31-2010 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3-Wheeler (Post 191801)
The shape should be "closing" to reduce the mirror wake size.

If you use the same mirror and the shape is closing then you have made the fairing larger than necessary and therefore increased the drag.

In other words, the Cd may be lower, but the frontal area has increased.

I wonder how a larger-than-mirror-crossection fairing that closes somewhat toward the rear would compare to a same-size-as-mirror-crossection fairing that was just straight back where it met the mirror?

JasonG 11-15-2010 01:55 PM

Its going to be tough with a drop deck.
I agree, be careful with the tool boxes hanging up, skirting would be safer.
You are getting good mileage as it is, I'm impressed.
I wonder if you could mount a Kamm to your headache rack to get the airflow started down for the shorter loads. Perhaps it would hinge up and act as an air wedge/ramp for taller loads?

winkosmosis 11-19-2010 08:42 PM

That truck already looks very aerodynamic.

How is it that the motor oil lasts 40,000 miles??

usergone 11-19-2010 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winkosmosis (Post 205078)
How is it that the motor oil lasts 40,000 miles??

I'm no expert, but I remember reading that it has something to do with the huge amount of motor oil there is in one of those engines. There's just a lot to be used up

slowmover 11-19-2010 11:02 PM

Hi Myron, used to be a flatbedder so nearly everything you write about sounds familiar. I'm impressed by the 8.5 mpg overall, and I know that tractor is a whole lot better to own/drive than the Freightshakers I had to drive. 3.55's on the rear? I always figured the "perfect" truck was a midroof with good aero, 500HP of Cummins with 13-speed & 3.55's. Sorry I don't know about your specific questions, but hope the rest of this may be of help or at least entertaining.

I'm impressed by the genny/inverter set-up, didn't realize that dash air was such a drag . . frankly, though, I'd keep it over an alternative source 'cause when it's needed it's really needed. So why not curtain off the sleeper entirely (only way to stay cool in Texas some days). A larger evaporator coil on the current system is one approach (with relay-driven fan control), plus a better condensor (not tube & fin) to up efficiency and lengthen compressor cycle time interval. Moving the interior air temp sensor may also be of help.

Don't know how the budget is, but PITTSBURGH POWER is always good for some tips: custom-made low restriction muffler, etc:

W900 Style 5 in 5 out muffler - Pittsburgh Power - High performance diesel engine systems

• View topic - October 2009: The $20,000 muffler!

• View forum - Power and Fuel mileage


Bruce Mallinsons site is worth the time to go through for the tidbits. I'd consider some of the less expensive items short of a power box.

Here's a series on a truck build for economy (notice the excellent record keeping):

Stories

Stories

Stories

Stories

Over on http://www.bobistheoilguy.com you should search out the posts and excellent informed commentary on big truck operation by DOUG HILARY an Australian fleet owner & international consultant in re fluids, etc. Take your time to go through all his posts on this subject (he also posts on cars); another very bright guy for all other subjects over there is MOLAKULE.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...&Number=528355

I have taken my oil analysis business to Terry Dyson of Dyson ANALYSIS some years back. It's an art, not just a science and he's great to deal with (my personal vehicles).

Finally, a favorite from the RV world: an airspeed indicator to check "winds aloft". I've re-routed myself more than once with an overdimensional load and ******* head & crosswinds after trip-planning weather study.

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalo...nasi160m-3.php

Good luck

.

KamperBob 11-20-2010 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowmover (Post 205102)
Finally, a favorite from the RV world: an airspeed indicator to check "winds aloft". I've re-routed myself more than once with an overdimensional load and ******* head & crosswinds after trip-planning weather study.

FALCON AIRSPEED INDICATOR 0-160 MPH $126

Please share pix showing how the airspeed "sensor" was mounted. The concept is clear enough but I wonder about proximity to the vehicle that disturbs the wind field it plows through. For planes close to the body may be fine but for road warriors with keen interest in crosswind sensitivity is a mast involved for example.

Thanks
KB

slowmover 12-03-2010 10:13 AM

Could be mounted forward of radiator grille. Or, on side of hood. I know I'd experiment with locations prior to permanent installation.

http://www.evansaviationproducts.com...20Products.htm

KamperBob 12-03-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slowmover (Post 207273)
Could be mounted forward of radiator grille. Or, on side of hood. I know I'd experiment with locations prior to permanent installation.

Other Products for the homebuilder. Pitot tubes, Static Port Kits

I thought maybe you had one on your truck.

I wonder if, to be accurate, the flow field needs to be sampled feet not inches from the vehicle surface. Otherwise, wouldn't pressure front of the vehicle bias the vector? Just thinking out loud...

Cheers
KB

slowmover 12-04-2010 10:53 AM

It is essentially a pressurized air source driving several instruments (altimeter, air speed, etc). Here's an old-fashioned one, venturi-type:

http://www.eaa.org/experimenter/images/0906_venturi.jpg

As to accuracy, well, winds are not really ever constant, are subject to shifting, and -- as one travels -- the road itself is not straight, so one is not ever likely to see a constant speed read depending on geography, climate & weather (Texas is windy, Georgia ain't). My understanding is that the instrument is going to change indications fairly regularly (but not a constant wobble, either). This assumes a windy day. On a not so windy day the reading is stable. Thus I don't think the mount is critical beyond stable readings on a day of ordinary breezes.

For RV'ers the eye-opener is the change in wind speed when being passed in the same direction as two semi's flying past (or, worse, the other direction) as the wind speed indicator is all over the place from truck bow waves.

No, I don't have one yet . . but it is high on the list. If I find the readings greatlyincreasing as one approaches the warmest part of the day, maybe it's time for lunch. A long one. Or, a different route if it makes winds more favorable. Or get's me away from heavy truck traffic. Etc.

It's all in trade-offs of time versus distance and the schedule to be kept: How far OOR can I go to offset the wind penalty? I might in fact choose to burn more fuel (distance) in order to avoid fighting the steering all day (one reason I used to like driving flatbed). Watching a 53' dry van lift the tandems in the air on one side -- and the driver not be able to feel it (by radio report) -- was an eye-opener.

Note the trailer (RV park model) "snaking" prior to roll over:

http://www.rvvideos.com/search?q=trailer+flips
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