Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Aerodynamics
Register Now
 Register Now

Now available from EcoModder: ScanGauge II fuel economy gauge.  Click for details.  

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-27-2009, 11:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
3-Wheeler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Southern WI
Posts: 575

AlienMobile - '00 Insight
90 day: 98.7 mpg (US)
Thanks: 29
Thanked 306 Times in 113 Posts
Some Thoughts on Aerodynamic Shapes

Back in September of 1976, Cycle magazine published an aerodynamics article, written by Kevin Cooper from the National Research Counsil in Canada.

While the jest of this article was written regarding road going motorcycles, many of the basic concepts for lowering air drag can be applied to any vehicle shape. With this in mind, data from this article will be presented here.

Figure 10 shows a typical 'elliptical' form and the resultant flow path around this shape.



Figure 11 shows what happens to the efficiency of an airfoil shape when the tail is truncated to various lengths.



Figure 12 is a very useful graphic. It shows two possible ways of truncating the shape of an aero device when the length is severely limited. Note how this shape can easily make our external mirrors more efficient.



The next graphic shows how the overall drag in lowered as the length/width ratio approaches 4:1. For non-optimal shapes, the length/width ratio usually needs to be longer to achieve minimum drag.



Figure 14 shows the affect of radiusing the leading or trailing edge of our aero shape.



This last picture shows an actual application for the graphic in Figure 12, where the trailing edge of our aero shape is closing to reduce the flow separation to the minimum for this length.

Blue arrows highlight the spot on this fairing where the shape is narrowing past the ends of the handle bars.



This fairing was made around 1990 using the principles of Kevin Coopers article, and is still valid today.

I hope you find this useful.

Jim.


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 001.jpg (47.9 KB, 601 views)
File Type: jpg 002.jpg (21.4 KB, 592 views)
File Type: jpg 003.jpg (59.7 KB, 668 views)
File Type: jpg 004.jpg (90.0 KB, 591 views)
File Type: jpg 005.jpg (126.9 KB, 1078 views)
File Type: jpg 006.jpg (57.0 KB, 587 views)

Last edited by 3-Wheeler; 11-27-2009 at 11:33 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following 21 Users Say Thank You to 3-Wheeler For This Useful Post:
aerohead (12-19-2009), Cd (11-27-2009), cfg83 (08-22-2011), ChazInMT (02-16-2010), Christ (11-27-2009), COcyclist (12-01-2009), davidgrey50 (07-13-2010), fusion210 (11-28-2009), janvos39 (11-29-2009), jimepting (11-20-2010), Jyden (02-15-2010), KamperBob (04-06-2011), landsailor (08-28-2011), mjboks (12-01-2009), mrk (06-16-2010), orange4boy (02-14-2010), Piwoslaw (11-27-2009), pvan93 (02-19-2010), Regenerit (04-14-2012), SVOboy (11-27-2009), wyatt (03-08-2011)
Old 11-27-2009, 12:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,382

Herbie - '86 Golf Diesel
90 day: 51.89 mpg (US)

Steve - '92 Festiva
Thanks: 955
Thanked 324 Times in 273 Posts
Do you have an online source of the article? Was there more to it?
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2009, 12:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
Batman Junior
 
MetroMPG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: 1000 Islands, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 12,537

Blackfly - '98 Metro
Team Metro
90 day: 67.07 mpg (US)

ForkenSwift - '92 Metro EV
90 day: 125.37 mpg (US)

U.F.O. - '00 Insight
Team Honda
90 day: 85.75 mpg (US)
Thanks: 302
Thanked 1,020 Times in 568 Posts
Interesting.

FYI, the article's author is an EcoModder member and has posted occasionally.
__________________
Latest project: removable Geo Metro boat tail
Latest test: Massive cardboard air dam on a Geo Metro


www.MetroMPG.com - fuel efficiency info for Geo Metro owners
www.ForkenSwift.com - electric car conversion on a beer budget
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2009, 01:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,382

Herbie - '86 Golf Diesel
90 day: 51.89 mpg (US)

Steve - '92 Festiva
Thanks: 955
Thanked 324 Times in 273 Posts
I ask because I have thought about the Mirror thing, reshaping the trailing line of the mirrors to close down the wake a little bit more, so that it reaches the "apex" of the shape and begins closing, rather than continuing to open past the aft edge termination. I dunno how much it would help compared to taking the mirrors off, but it might provide an option to those who aren't comfortable without mirrors?
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2009, 01:43 PM   #5 (permalink)
Dartmouth 2010
 
SVOboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hanover, NH
Posts: 6,421

Vegan Powa! - '91 CRX DX
Team Honda
90 day: 66.52 mpg (US)
Thanks: 92
Thanked 81 Times in 67 Posts
Send a message via AIM to SVOboy Send a message via MSN to SVOboy Send a message via Yahoo to SVOboy Send a message via Skype™ to SVOboy
Thanks for posting this! Do you have any more pictures of your fairing from the outside, etc?

It was good meeting you are hybridfest, by the way!
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2009, 02:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 359

2003 Ninja EX250 - '03 Ninja EX250
90 day: 87.63 mpg (US)

Saturn - '99 SL1 Base
Thanks: 24
Thanked 44 Times in 28 Posts
I'd love to read the full article if you can provide it.
__________________
Doing my part to reduce dependence on OIL
Doing my part to reduce congestion
And enjoying it!

If you have to use your brakes, you are driving too fast!

My 101.5 MPG 2003 Kawasaki Ninja 250



Crude Oil Price Today
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2009, 04:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
3-Wheeler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Southern WI
Posts: 575

AlienMobile - '00 Insight
90 day: 98.7 mpg (US)
Thanks: 29
Thanked 306 Times in 113 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christ View Post
Do you have an online source of the article? Was there more to it?
Hi,

The only copy of the article that I have, is a scanned copy of the magazine in TIF compressed format. To get the graphics from the article and post here, I opened each TIF page and cropped the graphics, then converted to JPG, scaled down to 600 pixels in width, and posted.

For the article posted on-line, check...

http://picasaweb.google.com/threewhe...erAeroArticle#

Jim.

Last edited by 3-Wheeler; 11-27-2009 at 05:08 PM.. Reason: Add link to Kevin Cooper article.
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 3-Wheeler For This Useful Post:
Christ (11-27-2009)
Old 11-27-2009, 09:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Leadville, CO
Posts: 509

Maroon Ballon - '98 Town & Country LXI
90 day: 26.42 mpg (US)

MaEsTRO - '95 Metro 5spd hatch, 3 cyl
Thanks: 47
Thanked 51 Times in 37 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Christ View Post
I ask because I have thought about the Mirror thing, reshaping the trailing line of the mirrors to close down the wake a little bit more, so that it reaches the "apex" of the shape and begins closing, rather than continuing to open past the aft edge termination. I dunno how much it would help compared to taking the mirrors off, but it might provide an option to those who aren't comfortable without mirrors?
I think this is a great approach: The parts of the bike that have to stick out - mirrors, turnsignals - are incorporated into the fairing that covers the bars and levers. It's very smooth and comfortable, and with the grip warmers and warm gloves, my hands stay warm down into the 20s.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg bike 013.jpg (51.2 KB, 72 views)
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2009, 11:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
Moderate your Moderation.
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Troy, Pa.
Posts: 8,382

Herbie - '86 Golf Diesel
90 day: 51.89 mpg (US)

Steve - '92 Festiva
Thanks: 955
Thanked 324 Times in 273 Posts
thatguitarguy -

I like that bike... it'd be a little better (minute amount) with a WindJammer type fairing, defeating the flow to the rider's legs. Also, fairing in the saddlebags to create a slight taper at the back would (in theory) help out with rear end aero, which is where the biggest gains are to be had. I'm thinking about putting an aero-ish tail on my 185, as well, since I'm doing a 1 up seat and incorporating a trunk into the back rest, and the sides of the bike are a point of concentration, due to the aspect ratio a bike has (width/height). The ideal shape is basically to turn your bike into a fish, but I'm not going quite that far. I'm just going to close up unnecessary holes, try to smooth out the sides some, and fair in the rear end for storage area and hopefully some decent aero. I hope to match theycallmebryan's numbers, at least.
__________________
"¿ʞɐǝɹɟ ɐ ǝɹ,noʎ uǝɥʍ 'ʇı ʇ,usı 'ʎlǝuol s,ʇı"
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2009, 10:46 AM   #10 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
NeilBlanchard's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Maynard, MA Eaarth
Posts: 3,940

Mica Blue - '05 xA RS 2.0
Team Toyota
90 day: 48.22 mpg (US)

Josepha - '08 xD
90 day: 30.76 mpg (US)
Thanks: 513
Thanked 501 Times in 306 Posts
Hi,

I was about to post a thought that I was having about ways to do boattails, related to their length, and it seems this thread is a good fit?

Since the top and the sides of a boattail can be up to 15 degrees, and the bottom is best if it is limited to 4 degrees, this means the car needs to have a height that is ~5/8 the width IF the boattail comes to a point.

But since we need to have the two tail lights spread apart by some reasonable distance, this increases the need to have a shorter height even than that.

So, what is a shade tree aerodynamics person supposed to do? Here's a possible solution: divide the trailing shape of the car into two parts!

Take the lower portion and taper the "top" and sides and bottom as much as possible to end the back in a "line" i.e. like the back of the Aptera.

And take the remaining top portion and taper the sides and the top at the maximum angles so it closes to a point -- but keep it joined to the lower portion.

We seen this in many cars: the 1939 Maybach is one (though it is quite different than my little xA). The original UrSaab is another example. The Volvo 3CC concept car is also similar to this idea; except it truncates it far too early to form anything like a boattail:


Am I explaining it properly? I hope to photograph my xA from above to be able to better illustrate (and test) this idea.


(Support Ecomodder.com & get rid of these annoying ads!)      
 
__________________
Sincerely, Neil

http://neilblanchard.blogspot.com/
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fuel Economy related papers tasdrouille General Efficiency Discussion 33 03-06-2012 12:22 PM
Aerodynamic Heavy-Duty Truck Trailer Cuts Fuel Consumption and Emissions By Up to 15% SVOboy Aerodynamics 11 12-27-2011 07:18 AM
Sources of Aerodynamic Drag in Automobiles and Possible Solutions SVOboy Aerodynamics 12 02-17-2010 02:09 PM
Group Purchase of Aerodynamic Modeling Program windrider919 Aerodynamics 16 09-10-2009 07:02 PM
Modern Rolls Royce Phantom vs Aerodynamic Coupe Unheard Aerodynamics 2 06-19-2009 10:19 PM




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com