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tjts1 01-16-2013 12:24 AM

Mercedes CLA sedan: 0.23 drag coefficient (0.22 for BlueEfficiency model)
 
http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/17/27/51.../3/628x471.jpg

http://bonjourlife.com/wp-content/up...Benz-CLA-3.jpg

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/image...G-4MATIC-3.jpg

MetroMPG 01-16-2013 01:34 AM

From the MB press release:

Quote:

(Wind) resistance is futile - a new record Cd figure

With a Cd figure of 0.23, the CLA sets a new benchmark among not only Mercedes models, but also all series-production vehicles. The frontal surface area, Cd x A - which is crucial to aerodynamic resistance – also leads the field at 5.49 sq. ft.

The good air flow characteristics, which have a major impact on fuel consumption under everyday driving conditions, are the result of extensive aerodynamic optimization. These include
  • a low A-pillar shoulder with adapted A-pillar geometry,
  • aerodynamically optimized exterior mirrors,
  • low-drag wheel trims
  • and serrated wheel spoilers on the front and rear wheel arches.
  • Extensive underbody cladding,
  • additional cladding at the center of the rear axle,
  • an aerodynamically optimized muffler
  • and a diffuser improve the flow of air beneath the underbody.


niky 01-16-2013 02:35 AM

Amazing! I guess that explains how the base CLA can crack 130 mph with just 122 hp and 150 with the two liter.

This is one Merc I can't wait to test-drive. After the horribly plasticky B-Class, it's nice that Mercedes is trying to find ways to go mass market (read: FWD) without losing its premium appeal.

serialk11r 01-16-2013 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 351402)
From the MB press release:

And that trunk probably doesn't even hit template. Shows how the details can add up!

MetroMPG 01-16-2013 09:51 AM

Yup: detail optimization can make up for a lot. Tells us how bad the "details" must be on most cars, doesn't it?

niky 01-16-2013 10:27 AM

The brochure is fascinating reading.
http://www.mercedes-benz.fi/content/...7_0113_021.pdf

MetroMPG 01-16-2013 10:36 AM

Wow - .22 for the high efficiency model, coming later. Editing the post title. :)

From the PDF:

Quote:

Aerodynamics have never looked better ... The result is a perfectly structured whole whose aerodynamics are unmatched in the series-production car sector.

Cd value of 0.23 (0.22 for CLA 180 BlueEFFICIENCY Edition expected to be available from 2nd quarter of 2013) is the lowest for any series-production vehicle
Quote:

The impressive aerodynamic qualities of the new CLA ensure that it offers only slight air resistance, not just in the wind tunnel, but on the road, too. As a result, the expressive exterior design is accompanied by a Cd value of 0.23 – an outstanding achievement among series production vehicles and one which is second only to another model in the new CLA line-up: the CLA 180 BlueEFFICIENCY Edition (expected to be available from 2nd quarter of 2013) has a Cd value of just 0.22 thanks to the use of additional innovative technology.

How do you benefit from this? The optimised airflow around the vehicle plays a major role in achieving the measurable reduction in drag. The positive effects extend beyond a reduction in fuel consumption: low lift coefficients at the front and rear wheels make for agile handling, good driving stability at higher speeds and an assured response to crosswinds. The outstanding aerodynamics also make themselves felt inside the vehicle
where wind noise is reduced to a level unmatched in this category. All of which goes to show once again that, rather than being an end in themselves, good aerodynamic characteristics have lasting benefits in many different areas.

mcrews 01-16-2013 11:15 AM

Funny, I have been noticing the Merc sedans lately.
Noticing how low the front edge is to the ground and how low the front hood is to the ground.
also how 'tight' the tires and wheels are to the edges of the wheel well.
Usually a sedan's bumber will clear a curb. Butthe newer merc arent high enough.
As Metro said....'opitmizing the details"!

Jyden 01-16-2013 11:30 AM

MB
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 351402)
From the MB press release:

MB proabably lurking here at ecomodder? How bout the belly?

MetroMPG 01-16-2013 11:53 AM

Just as a reminder, Merc was the first to do 0.24 in a production car, just a few years ago:

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...html#post88383

And they seem to be getting closer to their goal:

Mercedes to Sell Super-Aerodynamic Cars in 5 Years

gone-ot 01-16-2013 12:09 PM

"...hugging the ground..." has always been good for reducing aerodrag.

...and, matching tyre diameter to wheelwell circumference gives errant 'air' almost no place to create air turbulence (drag).

ECONORAM 01-16-2013 10:08 PM

I'm surprised it has a .23 Cd. That is fantastic! Sigh, my truck is more than 2x that...

sustainable sam 01-16-2013 11:37 PM

That's incredible. I was just thinking earlier today how there needs to be more education to the general public regarding vehicle aerodynamics. I hope Mercedes starts a trend of low drag vehicles.

shovel 01-17-2013 05:47 PM

and yet the wheels... don't look very aero at all.

tjts1 01-17-2013 06:04 PM

Back in 1984 the poverty spec W124 (skinny tires, smooth hub caps) pulled a 0.29cd. I would like to bring mine down to that level or maybe improve on it a bit.
http://eblog.mercedes-benz-passion.c...132_84F156.jpg

serialk11r 01-17-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shovel (Post 351710)
and yet the wheels... don't look very aero at all.

Possible, spokes could be partially streamlined? Besides, they could've engineered the fenders to divert flow away and reduce drag.

niky 01-17-2013 08:12 PM

Likely that. And as Old Tele Man says, the fender-to-wheel gap plays an important part, too.

nackerton 03-18-2013 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjts1 (Post 351713)
Back in 1984 the poverty spec W124 (skinny tires, smooth hub caps) pulled a 0.29cd. I would like to bring mine down to that level or maybe improve on it a bit.

I think that the main difference between 300D and basic model is the front bumper.

Vekke 03-22-2013 06:54 AM

Have they released their fuel consumption figures out yet?

I found that Co2 is 118 g/km which gives 4,45 l/100km average fuel consumption.
Mercedes-Benz CLA 180 BlueEFFICIENCY, 2013 C 117 technical specifications & information 304480

Rokeby 03-22-2013 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shovel (Post 351710)
and yet the wheels... don't look very aero at all.

Just a thought: MB has been known to put clear aero-covers on it's show cars. IIRC, including a high-zoot FourTwo Brabus.

That said, in any of the pictures I don't see the evidence that such covers are in use: clips/fasteners in either the spokes, the rims, or hub.

MetroMPG 03-22-2013 01:39 PM

Also it's a safe bet the photo doesn't necessarily show the lowest-drag variant.

Thus the disclaimer in nearly every car ad: "model may not be exactly as shown".

NachtRitter 03-24-2013 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vekke (Post 362687)
Have they released their fuel consumption figures out yet?

I found that Co2 is 118 g/km which gives 4,45 l/100km average fuel consumption.
Mercedes-Benz CLA 180 BlueEFFICIENCY, 2013 C 117 technical specifications & information 304480

The brochure linked by niky in post #6 gives a range of 4.5 - 4.2 l/100km (52 - 56mpg) for the combined (urban & extra-urban) on the CDI with auto transmission... 3.8 - 3.6 l/100km (62 - 65mpg) for extra-urban! Pretty dang good! I'm assuming the (higher) FE numbers in the brochure for the BlueEFFICIENCY (with lower Cd and manual transmission) are estimates... ?

Cd 03-26-2013 04:02 PM

http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes...4_photo_9b.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes...4_photo_a0.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes...4_photo_9f.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes...4_photo_a1.jpg
http://photo.netcarshow.com/Mercedes...4_photo_54.jpg
( Image above is a CG rendering, but might be close to reality )

Some good images here - plenty from inside an actual wind tunnel : http://www.google.com/search?q=Merce...w=1436&bih=786
http://www.autoconception.com/wp-con...ineering-9.jpg

lowglider 03-28-2013 07:26 PM

A few weeks ago I went to go take a leak at a highway rest station and during the relieving part a corner of my eye caught a parked semi-truck full of CLA`s.
I love the beauty of this thing, they truly shoved a finger up the behind of all those whiny designers who said you must make compromises between efficiency and aesthetics. It`s a work of art. I hope those soccer moms drop those SUVs and go for this beauty.

kach22i 03-28-2013 11:25 PM

Using the latest overlay on the Benz.
Industrial Design - Transportation Photos by kach22i | Photobucket
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...psc99962a2.jpg

Using a green felt tip pen to redesign it for maximum effect.
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...pse7107793.jpg

NeilBlanchard 03-29-2013 09:20 AM

Very nice sketch - I'd tweak the rear wheels back a bit and narrow the rear track, so the side taper can start a little bit closer to the front.

Do you have SketchUp George? [/Nudge, nudge, wink, wink - say no moah!]

kach22i 03-29-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard (Post 364002)
Do you have SketchUp George?

I downloaded it over a year ago but haven't even opened it up.

A friend has offered to walk me though it, but I just have not made the time for it.

I click enough keys for AutoCad 2D drawings and just surfing the Internet, drawing by hand is my relaxation.

California98Civic 05-31-2013 03:04 AM

Newly posted Video: CLA Aerodynamics
 
Fiddling around on a sleepless night, I found these videos. A couple stills from the first video were posted earlier in this thread, but the video itself seems to have only just appeared on Youtube. Watching the smoke test of several details that make the low Cd possible is interesting: wheel-well curtains, spoiler, tail light fixtures, a-pillar, rear view mirrors, and others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgYSbEaKg

And here is the "preparation" vid, which is kinda fun. It shows the procedure for putting the car in place and securing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LqeljvJ6j-k

Impressive facility. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit of a sought-after privilege to work in it.

jime57 05-31-2013 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by California98Civic (Post 373977)
Fiddling around on a sleepless night, I found these videos. A couple stills from the first video were posted earlier in this thread, but the video itself seems to have only just appeared on Youtube. Watching the smoke test of several details that make the low Cd possible is interesting: wheel-well curtains, spoiler, tail light fixtures, a-pillar, rear view mirrors, and others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgYSbEaKg

And here is the "preparation" vid, which is kinda fun. It shows the procedure for putting the car in place and securing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LqeljvJ6j-k

Impressive facility. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit of a sought-after privilege to work in it.

It is all very impressive and no doubt that the car is good, but I remained unconvinced on much of these MB Cd numbers. After all, we only have their testing and their word for the results. There are ample areas of doubt such as the open rear wheel arches, the huge wake (shown in the video) and the questionable wheel designs. It would be very interesting to have the Insight and the CLA tested in the same wind tunnel.

mcrews 05-31-2013 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jime57 (Post 373986)
It is all very impressive and no doubt that the car is good, but I remained unconvinced on much of these MB Cd numbers. After all, we only have their testing and their word for the results. There are ample areas of doubt such as the open rear wheel arches, the huge wake (shown in the video) and the questionable wheel designs. It would be very interesting to have the Insight and the CLA tested in the same wind tunnel.

really.......:eek:

do you also believe that the oil companies squashed a carb that got 99mpg??????? :rolleyes:

Here is something to think about.
Some other german car maker w/ a big windtunnel (bmw maybe) has some engineer come in and say "mb is blowing smoke on the .23 cd......let's go buy one, run the test and then expose them!!" :thumbup:
2 days later MB is retracting and firing.
Loses MASSIVE credibility in the marketplace.........

just sayin......:cool:

tjts1 05-31-2013 09:15 AM

I cant believe we still build cars with outside mirrors.

niky 05-31-2013 10:40 AM

The proof of the aerodynamics will be in the speed. When they first released the projected performance numbers, I was impressed at the quoted top speed given the quoted power. If it really can hit those numbers, then the aerodynamics claims are more believable.

jime57 05-31-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcrews (Post 373987)
do you also believe that the oil companies squashed a carb that got 99mpg??????? :rolleyes:

No, I do not. I'm an engineer and I spend a fair amount of time reading my Hucho. I know the equations. It's all about environment, weight, frontal area, and Cd. It's Cd under discussion.

Quote:

Here is something to think about.
Some other german car maker w/ a big windtunnel (bmw maybe) has some engineer come in and say "mb is blowing smoke on the .23 cd......let's go buy one, run the test and then expose them!!" :thumbup:
2 days later MB is retracting and firing.
Loses MASSIVE credibility in the marketplace.........

just sayin......:cool:
Read your Hucho. There is enough wiggle room between different wind tunnels that such a test would probably prove nothing. Identical testing in the same wind tunnel would be the only convincing test IMO. But, admittedly I am speculating. I just don't see the stuff on the car that translates to .23 when the Insight is .25. Of course, that has not been independently tested either, far as I know;)

mcrews 05-31-2013 02:53 PM

Insight is sandbagging!!!! lol

mcrews 05-31-2013 02:56 PM

As I had commented early, I am just 'visually' impressed with the obvious stuff that MB seems to be doing on the aero side.

I know you smart guys see alot more stuff due to your training. :thumbup:

ChazInMT 05-31-2013 03:27 PM

The thing I marvel at and wonder ...Huh?...is the very front. Looks like a bull dozer blade, I'm surprised that's an optimal shape. Something to be learned here fer sure.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qdznyb.jpg

I also note how there is just one long arc from the base of the front windscreen to the base of the rear window, and only then does it break just slightly for the trunk, something tells me this shape has been refined to the Nth degree.

mcrews 05-31-2013 04:04 PM

couple of non-engineer thoughts:
the lip to ground is very low. That thing wont clear a curb much less a parking stop.
Also the angle up the hood starts out pretty dang low compared to any other similar sized car in the market

Cd 08-11-2013 12:19 PM

Mercedes-Benz Aerodynamics: An In-Depth Look (Part 1) | eMercedesBenz

Cd 08-11-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shovel (Post 351710)
and yet the wheels... don't look very aero at all.

http://www.autoconception.com/wp-con...ineering-9.jpg

These are the aero wheels. Note how that the wheel is actually flat with a small section cut out for cooling. The 'spokes' are simply the area of the wheel that is not painted black.
Stealth aero.:thumbup:

Cd 08-11-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by California98Civic (Post 373977)
Fiddling around on a sleepless night, I found these videos. A couple stills from the first video were posted earlier in this thread, but the video itself seems to have only just appeared on Youtube. Watching the smoke test of several details that make the low Cd possible is interesting: wheel-well curtains, spoiler, tail light fixtures, a-pillar, rear view mirrors, and others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNXgYSbEaKg

And here is the "preparation" vid, which is kinda fun. It shows the procedure for putting the car in place and securing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=LqeljvJ6j-k

Impressive facility. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a bit of a sought-after privilege to work in it.

At 6:47 you can see how the trip strip works on their taillights.


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