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lasitter 08-20-2012 11:54 AM

More on electric power steering conversion ...
 
I've reviewed a number of interesting threads here regarding electric power steering conversions. I'm looking for something SIMPLE that might work for my 1996 F-150, and this is what I'm thinking about:

Knowing when to run the pump and how hard seems to be a major issue with the OEM systems out there. I was considering a simple on / off operation when most needed, but don't want to use the manual switch method that has been discussed by others.

Since you only really need power steering during low speeds and parking, occurred to me that you might be able to wire a relay to the brake lights so that whenever you hit the brakes, you'd get power steering full on for xx (pick a number) seconds.

I also need recommendations for what would be an appropriate, well documented pump.

ecomodded 08-20-2012 01:34 PM

If you put it in gear while at low speed or parking the power steering pump will turn, it recently dawned on me that i can maintain my brakes and power steering by doing this.
I am thinking the guys from the EV world could be using something electric to power their steering pumps.

Not sure how automatics would perform with that technique, it may still work.

-here is a link about a hybrids, electric steering pump so they are out there.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...wer-12558.html

MetroMPG 08-20-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasitter (Post 322658)
whenever you hit the brakes, you'd get power steering full on for xx (pick a number) seconds.


If you choose XX seconds, you will inevitably have times when you're turning the wheel, XX elapses and the pump stops. Believe me, you will never like or get used to power assist cutting out in the middle of turning the wheel!


Speed-sensitive is better.

nimblemotors 08-20-2012 02:25 PM

many newer cars have variable assist, at over xx mph the power steering is reduced or effectively disabled. this is how you want to do it, mostly you only need it when parking at 5mph or less, faster than that, it isn't needed,
and in fact the car handles better without it at speed.

knowing speed isn't hard, how to turn it on/off isn't so clear.
maybe a pulley clutch like an a/c is an option.
electric power steering is the simple way, but of course how to get
electric into the car is the question. prius has electric steering rack.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasitter (Post 322658)
I've reviewed a number of interesting threads here regarding electric power steering conversions. I'm looking for something SIMPLE that might work for my 1996 F-150, and this is what I'm thinking about:

Knowing when to run the pump and how hard seems to be a major issue with the OEM systems out there. I was considering a simple on / off operation when most needed, but don't want to use the manual switch method that has been discussed by others.

Since you only really need power steering during low speeds and parking, occurred to me that you might be able to wire a relay to the brake lights so that whenever you hit the brakes, you'd get power steering full on for xx (pick a number) seconds.

I also need recommendations for what would be an appropriate, well documented pump.


jalmir 08-20-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nimblemotors (Post 322690)
you only need it when parking at 5mph or less, faster than that, it isn't needed,
and in fact the car handles better without it at speed.

Not true for all cars ... though I would've said the same thing 2 weeks ago, I know now it's not the case!

My 2002 Hyundai Elantra is one of them, learned it the hard way, EOCing on the highway (downhill), then when I got to the curve at the bottom I realized turning the wheel needed both of my hands! It's not super hard but it's FAR from being easy.

I had an Elantra from the previous generation and it didn't much force to turn the steering wheel at highway speed, so it's something that changed in the generation that I now have!

nimblemotors 08-20-2012 04:20 PM

sure, non-power steering isn't the same as disabled power steering!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalmir (Post 322736)
Not true for all cars ... though I would've said the same thing 2 weeks ago, I know now it's not the case!

My 2002 Hyundai Elantra is one of them, learned it the hard way, EOCing on the highway (downhill), then when I got to the curve at the bottom I realized turning the wheel needed both of my hands! It's not super hard but it's FAR from being easy.

I had an Elantra from the previous generation and it didn't much force to turn the steering wheel at highway speed, so it's something that changed in the generation that I now have!


jalmir 08-20-2012 04:23 PM

yeah but like I said, the Elantra I had previously wasn't as bad as the one I have now. At highway speed, the older one was like I had the PS pump working, it was noticable but barely, this Elantra seems dangerous with the pump off!

oil pan 4 08-20-2012 11:37 PM

Ever thought of trying to clutch your P/S pully?

lasitter 08-21-2012 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 322854)
Ever thought of trying to clutch your P/S pully?

Yes, but I have no idea about how to source the parts for this.

Is there a "how to" thread for this sort of thing?

oil pan 4 08-21-2012 07:36 AM

Before I invest too much time and money into this I need to run some tests.
I plan on using a drill and a kill-a-watt meter to determin how much power it takes to idle my P/S pump.
Basicly connect a side drill to the P/S with the belt off, spin the drill up to its max RPM, record power consumption take an RPM reading.
Then operate the drill at the same RPM with no load and subtract that from loaded power consumption. Then record power consumption loaded and unloaded at 50% and 60%, 70%, 80% and 90% of full drill speed.
That way I can chart horse power consumption of my engine cruise speed of 1600rpms even if my drill only spins the pump to 1200 or 1000 rpms.

You would need to get a hydraulic pump clutch pully and adapt it from 1-1/4 keyed shaft to what ever your power steering pump is.
For me the process would be to source a 1-1/4 inch keyed shaft to .75'' press fit adaptor and wire it up.
My solution: http://www.hydraulicstore.com/clutchpumps.html
This clutch is way over kill for a 3.7gpm (standard GM saganaw flow rate) at less than 1000psi and should out last the pump its on.
What others have done:
http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ing-14952.html
Not sure how much punishment that clutch can take.

Another possibility might be to use a universal electric water pump drive kit.
Water Pump, Electric Drive Kits - SummitRacing.com
My consern there is that motor might not be strong enough to run a hydraulic pump.
And there is this:
Unisteer Performance 8051500 - Unisteer Electra Steer Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Woefully under powered for a 6000lb suburban that tows.
Its not economical, that much money will buy a lota gas, unless you do it cause you dont have P/S and want it, but with out the drag that comes with running a pump all the time.

I thought about going to electric power steering, but my electrical system is already running hard enough, I have on board air compressor stuff to add, transmission cooler to move, new exhaust to run and water injection to expand.
Also hydraulic power gives me power braking, I dont have a vacuum brake booster.
So I need something small, dependable, didn't draw a ton of power so that pump clutch set up looks like what I need.


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