my adventures the hho gen
 

dear hypermilers
I have some good news and some bad news.The hho generator I made really does what it is claimed to do [save fuel,clean engine parts,water in exhaust etc],the bad news is I noticed that the thing needs a lot of dc power to make hho gas,when I hooked up the system directly to the battery the alt started to whine[no dont have pwm in ethiopia].wires started to melt so what I did was to dilute the electrolyte to control heating and overload but at the cost of gas production.[well u guys who wrote about thermodynamics are vindicated].
But we cannot leave it as a dead case because the smallest amount of gas in the engine really has an effect of performance,well u see me being a hypermiler I have closed the fuel mixture screw to the lowest possible setting so the renault is very sluggish in the morning and takes a long time to run efficiently due to low fuel delivery.The smallest uphill climb is a struggle in the morining with constant gear shifting.With the hho things have changed to the better no more sluggishness in the morning or when it is cold,smooth bmw like engine operation,spark plugs look like I just fitted them yesterday[they are one year old],speed pick up at the gentelest nudge of the accelerator[actually tiring to do].My family noted that the car has become silent during idiling.
I have not put up pics as some of u asked because I dont have a digital camera,but this what I basically did
1.11 plates of stainless steel with unknown thickness[I just bought the first big piece of stainless steel plate at the junk yard I think it was some kind of lab machine cover.
2.size is 11*11 cm with two holes drilled at about 1.5 cm from lip for gas flow and elecrtrolyte flow I used a welder to drill holes because chinese drill bits and stainless steel do not go hand in hand so the holes are crude and grinded to smoothness.
3.3 plates were used for power connection what i did was to leave them as they were and we cut away the rest of the plates at one corner [1.5cm pieces were cut] wierdly all the engineering shops I went sent me packing when they saw me with the stainless steel sheet they said their machine blades could not deal with it so I decided to use a small angle grinder with cutting disk fitted and yes it did the job,and yes the plates are a bit crude.
4.I then cut two pieces of plexiglass at 13*13 cm and drilled eight holes around the lip for bolts and one 8mm hole positioned exactly where the holes on the plates for gas exit is. The other plexiglass for fluid inflow has 8mm hole drilled slightly above second hole,I did this because I was worried of gas coming out of the wrong end,there should be a good circulation of fluid to prevent heat.
5.power set up is -nnnn+nnnn- so I gave postive to the plate in the middle and negative to the plates at both ends.
6.I used o rings for sealing the plates[orings should encircle the two holes on the plates] I used a little silicone rubbed on the orings to ensure gas tightness.
7.I found out that a little amount koh is enough for two liters of distilled water about a quart measured by the chemical bottle cap[bottle is 500gm]
use too much and u shall suffer the consequence of overheating,failed orings,melting wires etc
8.for fluid delivery I used a old plastic coolant bottle found in old renaults with fluid delivery drilled at bottom slithtly above to avoid sediment circulation,gas and fluid delivery higher up above waist line,gas exit to engine even higher.
Gotta go will constantly update post with more details and photo's
Please check for engine bay space before u start production.
ammeter is must to check current usage,I fitted mine with one terminal + and other - and had a good wire melting incident. connect the ammeter only to the + hho power supply[so the current runs thru it]
epoxy glue did not agree with the koh fluid.
I checked for airtightness by putting the device in a bucket with water and blew air with one hole closed and found many leaks,slight tightning of bolts solved it ,u might find more leaks when u start using it due to heat stress dont panick just tighten bolts at leak site.[be gentle when tightening or u might break plexi or cut orings.
A good relay is needed unless u want to ruin the ignition wiring,at least 50 amp with wires from your ignition to turn on the relay and take power from battery to hho generator also a 30amp fuse on +line.
Indicator light in car is also a good idea because some times relays get stuck in the on position even when u turn off the key,meaning that the hho gen will produce gas when the engine is off [very dangerous]
A bubbler is important to control flash back.[u can find design on the net]it is a simple affair.
One important thing to remember is once u start the production it is pretty simple dont get disencouraged by all the technical talk on some websites.
And please please start with small amounts of koh acid because u will learn as u go along too much acid will break your balls.
What I made is a dry cell hho gen meaning that the thing is not dry but fluid has a chance to circulate from bottle to cell and keep things cool,guys pls dont even try the bottle with plates immersed in it,I almost had a nasty accident with this old project.
as this is an ongoing project I am finding a lot of things daily so a little patience.....

JARRE:thumbup:

Soon I will have no money after having sent it all to you. But then the savings from HHO will help me get it back. :turtle: :thumbup:

I think there's something in the Terms and Conditions about asking for funding without clearing it with the mods, isn't there?

Honestly, I don't want to see a "please send me a check" line every time I open a thread you've been in. It's rather irritating, reminds me of the Nigerians in their endless pursuit of new GMail accounts to spam me with.

Once you send him a cheque he'll go away

or get 10x worse

:turtle: :thumbup:

lol

Holied crop this is way to funny!!!

This is what I keep thinking of when I see a person talking about HHO and begging for money in every thread...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rvinmarvin.gif

Starvin' Marvin.

thanks for the comments
 

Dear hypermilers thanx for the comments and support,some were real funny man comparing me with a nigerian con man[cold cold].
Well today was a real eye opener,the o rings failed miserably on the hho gen and all the fluid leaked out,but I always believed that one problem always is a solution to another.The o ring failiure and fluid loss showed me that I need to fit quality o rings and fluid loss in a hho gen is not dangerous the thing just stops working if there is no electrolyte to conduct the current,imagine if the gen worked empty like an empty water heater real scary.
jarre:thumbup:

how many times have you had your battery go dead on your car with this system? 50 amps is alot, it's the peek that your alternator is designed to put out leaving nothing for the rest of your car to work on and if you look at the amount of hydrogen that you get out of your system, it's really small.
so with this I suspect you will be replacing your battery at least once per year, your alternator is going to last a few months at best and with the melting wires you might just set your car on fire before anything else.

thanks for comment
 

Dear hyper miler
well it is only a couple of days since I started using the cell but remember I am using a really old battery that will not start if I dont use the car daily well so far no problem.:D

Reason for asking for donations
 

Dear hyper milers
It seems my donation request has irked some of my fellow hypermilers,well really sorry but the reason I did this is because currently there is hyper inflation in Ethiopia and everything is imported so the prices have become painful,hope u guys understand.
jarre:rolleyes:

Everything is imported here in the US also. Plus our dollar isn't worth much anymore and our unemployment is at a all time high that we haven't seen since 1983. So we could use some help over here also.:eek:

Send money to
"I'm an American and losing my ass"
1923 N4th
Coeur d' Alene Idaho 83814

I will be honest and say some of the proceeds will be for buying beer to handle my depression.;(

You almost made me spray beer on my monitor. LOL

The alcohol might help get rid of the finger prints! ;X

Be Careful beer is a worthwhile commodity. LOL

fixed o ring problem
 

today I saw that my choice of o rings weren't the correct size so the pressure pushed one out a bit so the fluid loss.I rectified the problem by fitting 4mm o rings that were a bit smaller and everything is fine.was a good chance to check plate condition,everythings fine.
jarre:turtle:

pics of my dry cell
 

Here are the pics of the dry cell it is very crude so no funny comments pls

Why do u think Iam posting like crazy?not to make money that was just a side idea.The main reason Iam doing this is to help.
peace man
jarre

hho dyr cell really works
 

Dear hyper milers
I had the opportunity to drive my hrybrid out of town for a couple of days and surprise surprise the car really flies down the road with the gentelest touch of the gas pedal.Fuel expense was not an issue on this trip.Please dont ask for fuel log because my speedo does not work,so what I did was fill her up and then note distance of the town Iam in and then fill her up at the next town and then see how much I had to fill up which I divide by the distance,and I am getting an efficiency of about 6 to 8 kilometers more than her usual performance her usual out of town milage is 12-13 km\liter.Please remember Iam driving a 34 year old car with a really messed up carb.
Moreover there is nothing to clean off the exhaust.I am not pulling ur legs.engine oil is very clean even after I drove for about 500 kms,usually the oil becomes very black.Interestingly the super performance is at lower revs,at higher revs there is no noticable change,which I think is due to the fact that the dry cell only gives out a meager amount of hho gas.
jarre:thumbup:

Well now you have established a base line.

You made a lot of changes to the carb. and sounds like you have tuned the engine up so you should see gains in that alone without the use of your hho generator.

So now you should do some aba test with and without the hho generator.

This will show you if your hho system is improving on economy or not.

Good Luck and let us know your findings.

silicone for oring is not a good idea
 

Dear guys
The reason my orings failed is because the silicone acted as a lube and pushed the orings out of the bottom of the cell.Also Iam planning to use 2 relays in tandem to power the cell cause one relay kept getting warm.
jarre:thumbup:

Jarre - I don't know if you're aware, but there are entire forums on other sites dedicated to building HHO devices.

You might find better support on one of those than around EcoModder.

easier electrolysis
 

PBS Television,either NOVA or Scientific American Frontiers did a short piece on a Dr.Nocera ( I believe is his name ) at MIT,who is conducting electrolytic hydrogen research.
He is using a two component catalyst( cobalt is one ) and achieving a 2X improvement in production.
Perhaps you can GOOGLE PBS.ORG and find the show using their search engine there.
Sorry I can't be more specific.I no longer have TV recording capability.

aerohead -

He's an interesting fellow :

MIT Chemistry: Daniel G. Nocera
Dr. Daniel Nocera
AF Funding Enables Artificial Photosynthesis - 10/6/2008
CarloSW2

That's him!
 

Carlos,that's the guy! Thanks! Jarre needs to dig into his R&D.