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Sven7 08-27-2014 03:08 PM

Project Blue Bike (lowracer commuter bike)
 
I am building a recumbent lowracer bicycle for commuting and general transportation around the Detroit suburbs. My current commuter bicycle goes around 10mph average on a good day including stop lights, and I'd like to double that.

A friend and I collaborated on the design; he wanted to tinker with geometry and I wanted a fast bike without the uncomfortable seating position and inferior aerodynamics of an upright road bike. After a trip to an HPVA race in Ohio last year, we started in earnest.

We settled on a front wheel drive, moving bottom bracket (MBB) design built around a Sturmey Archer X-RD8(W) eight speed internal gear hub with integrated 70mm drum brake and 20 tooth cog. This hub was built into a 16" (305mm) steel rim (from Calhoun Cycle, MN) with a 1.95" Maxxis Hookworm BMX tire.

I am a short guy at 5'-2", so this configuration means that I can not only reach the pedals but run less of a chance of skinning my leg on the turned tire. It also allows the bike to be lower with a higher efficiency drivetrain than if we'd have gone RWD. All this essentially means that my entire drivetrain will be mounted to the front fork.

The Shimano rear hub is equipped with a Tektro 160mm disc brake, laced to a 20" (406mm) steel rim. My friend and I built both two-cross wheels in my living room; getting the spokes up and around each other on such big hubs and small rims was quite a challenge.

This bike will be equipped with chain guard, fenders and a rack to make it usable every day. I do not plan on racing it. It will feature remote under seat steering for comfort and control vs. a tiller. There will be a tall 'conning tower' of reflective tape and/or blinky lights to alert motorists of my presence, should I choose to ride on the roads; sidewalks can get bumpy or nonexistent around here and 20mph will be too fast to be passing pedestrians glued to their phones.

Bicycles are not legally considered vehicles in the state of Michigan and they are allowed on roads of 35mph or below. I'm not sure how this will all shake out in regards to practical riding, but seeing as this bike could be dangerous to pedestrians, I may have to bend some rules.

Below is the general blueprint of the bike with correct geometry.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-sv...ture6355-1.jpg

It's borrowing a front fork and headset from a $25 Huffy step through I rode daily last winter, with a 65 tooth chainring sourced from a $10, 1970's-era Schwinn Exerciser on a ~$5 Stingray one-piece crank.

The 'bent's 65 tooth chainring with tiny cranks sitting next to the stock 46 tooth from my 1963 Schwinn American. The 65 tooth will run to a 20 tooth cog and gearing is estimated to allow 30+mph speeds if my legs can take it.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-sv...-192501789.jpg

The donor-

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-sv...900363-hdr.jpg

The wheels-

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-sv...ture6364-3.jpg

Right now I am in the process of drawing plans for the front fork and whatnot. Here is the dropout blueprint. Next is working out measurements for the BB stays.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-sv...ture6353-2.jpg

Issues I am expecting to run into are:

- The 65t ring is too big to fit around the donor's chainstay, so the stay will have to be notched or zee'd.
- I have no idea how the chainline will look.
- Clipless pedals do not thread into old-style Schwinn cranks, so I will need to run adapters first and hopefully later get new pedal spindles machined to thread into the crank.
- I have still to work out the under seat steering mount, but am planning on using a severely shortened headset in line with the frame. Possibly with gussets (pictured in blueprint) to strengthen.

Also, I would like to build this in a way conducive to disassembly for transport. I could very well want to take this on a plane or train where carrying an assembled bicycle would be expensive or prohibited, respectively. I am planning on doing this by incorporating a large 6-bolt flange somewhere in the frame. I would then unhook the (likely) rear brake, remove the seat and stack the frame parts in a suitcase.

Last, I am trying to keep an eye on everything I spend on this project, so once I find and count all my current receipts I will try to keep a running tab in this thread. I'm trying my best, but the bike isn't going to be cheap.

Cheers!

PS- It's Project Blue Bike as a pun on Project Blue Book. The bike will be powder coated the same bright blue as my 1974 Schwinn Varsity.

Daox 08-27-2014 03:41 PM

Sounds like a very fun project!

Sven7 08-27-2014 04:01 PM

I might mention that this is a logical extension of my earlier dream to build a custom car that would best the Anal Probe in efficiency. As longtime followers of my build threads will know, I originally wanted to build a super-aero 250cc powered tadpole trike. That morphed into an electric tadpole. Then, realizing that my expected range had dropped to only 50 miles or so, I considered recumbent streamliner bicycles; due to my dislike of the high temperatures that would generate, as well as the decision to go with a MBB design, the fairing idea went out the window.

So, from aero modding a 20 year old car, I have taken the seemingly unlikely leap to selling my car and building a bicycle very similar to that which was banned from racing in 1934 for being too fast for the competition. ;)

Frank Lee 08-27-2014 04:04 PM

Fun! Did you see my redneck recumbent?

MetroMPG 08-27-2014 04:10 PM

I see people are bad at embedding links to previous project threads. :)

That is my snarky way of saying: subscribed!

Sven7 08-27-2014 04:22 PM

I threw a link to this in my Ren thread for safe keeping, but have not seen the redneck recumbent...

Frank Lee 08-27-2014 04:36 PM

http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...ent-10979.html

Sven7 08-27-2014 04:43 PM

Oh, yes. I've seen stuff like that. Personally though I don't want to ride a recumbent unless it has a significant aero advantage. I've already got enough bicycles to choose from, so the focus now goes on widening the capabilities of my stable!

(A 24" wheel fat bike is planned for this winter's commuting)

arcosine 08-27-2014 08:05 PM

Ive been commuting on recumbents for 11 years now. Low racers do not make good commuter bikes. They are too low, you will be looking a cars wheels, drivers won't see you, not to mention semi trucks. Its scary! Too layed back, it's hard to balance, you will find yourself on the ground on the first sand patch. Too heavy, you are using solid steel parts. Ive only ridden a moving bottom bracket bike once, a cruze bike Vendetta. Very strange sensation steering and pedaling, they say you get use to it, but cadence has to be slow due to the dynamic imbalance on the fork, makes it wobble at high speed. Yes, I prefer long wheel base and web seats, though my current commuter is a Vision R40 swb with a tail box. It fits in the saturn. Good luck on your build.

Some links:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1564...ocation=stream

https://www.facebook.com/groups/homebuiltbents/

The Recumbent Bicycle and Human Powered Vehicle Information Center


A few of my bikes:
bike -1
https://flic.kr/p/gfqV9s
bike -2
https://flic.kr/p/cxCBgf
bike -3 commuter
https://flic.kr/p/jufF6b
bike -4
https://flic.kr/p/6zk12j
bike-5
https://flic.kr/p/4Vv8AN
Bike -7 (carp)
https://flic.kr/p/4Vv48A
Bilke-8
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisi...00/NB03047.jpg
Bike-9
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisi...k2002-tony.jpg
Bike-10
http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisi...n2004_tony.jpg

benphyr 08-27-2014 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven7 (Post 442588)
Oh, yes. I've seen stuff like that. Personally though I don't want to ride a recumbent unless it has a significant aero advantage. I've already got enough bicycles to choose from, so the focus now goes on widening the capabilities of my stable!

(A 24" wheel fat bike is planned for this winter's commuting)

I'm the 5th person to subscribe. I feel honoured. Thanks for sharing your experiences with the bike.

Someday I'm going to do similar, as there is no way in the next decade or two that I will be affording purchasing a recumbent bike, and it will be much more fun to cobble together a wreck than to purchase a good ride. By the time I build I should know what I want (or at least have a longer wish list :eek: ) so hopefully it will be better than a wreck AND have the designing and building fun too.

Thank you again for sharing your experiences,

Benphyr


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