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Ironside 01-09-2014 07:33 PM

Recumbent Honda 90
 
I've had a couple of requests to start a new thread, so here goes.

First a little history :-

I've been riding motorbikes since the late 60's, everything from mopeds to 1000cc 'superbikes'. It was my ambition to build a streamlined feet first motorcycle after reading an article about Craig Vetter's mileage challenge in the early eighties.

Having no fabrication or welding skills, I decided that a Honda Cub would be an ideal candidate as a 'first attempt', as the frame layout would need very little modification.

I eventually acquired a 1981 c90 in 2002 for the princely sum of 30. This sat in the shed for around 8 years until I finally found the time and motivation to get started.

The dream was to build something like Craig Vetter’s original streamliner.

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.47235...58423&pid=15.1

I set myself a target of 70 mph and 200 mpg (uk) at 55 mph.
70 mph is easy (I’ve achieved a GPS checked 68 mph without the fairing), so I’m guessing 80 mph is possible with a slippery fairing and optimised gearing.

200 mpg is an arbitrary figure which may not be achievable without fuel injection, but it’s important to set your sights high, rather than say ‘that’ll do’.

It started like this :-

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...-honda-002.jpg


With the front footrests bolted to the fork legs (not recommended!), and a hand operated gear change.

After further development, being loaded on the recovery truck following another seizure:-

http://http://ecomodder.com/forum/me...2-im000957.jpg

I think the 3 piston seizures were probably due to the engine over revving because of the standard gearing and reduced drag.

It was around this time I got involved with the C90 club, a great bunch of hard core Cub riders who travel all over the UK and Europe on camping trips. A top box and panniers (OK plastic boxes!) were fitted in order to carry the camping gear.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...5-p3070031.jpg

The battery has now been relocated to its original location,

The original engine was replaced with a 4 speed 125cc motor, which allows a reasonable cruising speed without overstressing the motor. I also fitted a 2 gallon tank to improve the range between fill-ups. The bike is so comfortable that 200 miles without a stop is easy.

Next stage in the evolution :-


http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...5-p3010204.jpg

This is where I am at the moment :-


http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...t-p1090434.jpg


The dustbin fairing (which needs a screen and some remedial work) is held in place temporarily while I work out clearances and fixing brackets.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...3-p1090437.jpg

Notice how well the fairing lines up with the panniers, this was not accidental, it may be possible to fill the gap between fairing and panniers at some point in the future.

I want to keep as much fairing surface area as possible to reduce drag, but I will need to get my feet down. I’m thinking of creating spring loaded flaps to achieve this, but I’m wondering whether a turned up fairing edge (to direct the airflow upwards) might be a more elegant solution.

I’ve recently rebuilt the carb with new needle and jets as the motor was running a little rich, but haven’t been able to test the results due to stormy weather. I need calm weather to set a baseline fuel consumption so that I can quantify the effects of fitting the fairing.

The bike has covered several thousand miles over the past 4 or 5 years, and is my favourite form of transport, my Harley, Pacific Coast and Shadow rarely see the light of day.

My best fuel consumption so far is 140mpg over a 300 mile motorway (freeway) run, which was with the throttle wide open and slipstreaming trucks whenever possible. Still aiming for 200 mpg.

I'm happy to share my experiences with anyone contemplating a similar build.

Cobb 01-09-2014 07:52 PM

Not bad. Barry Weiss from the television series Storage Wars has a tear drop motorcycle shell around his bike. :eek:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...012/file-8.jpg

minimac 01-10-2014 11:11 AM

That is Awesome!! I, for one, would like more details, impressions, etc. It looks like it would be a fairly easy to duplicate project.

elhigh 01-10-2014 11:32 AM

That Barry Weiss thing is a Blastolene creation. It isn't so much a streamliner project as it is an art project.

That said, it would be pretty cool to know just what its Cd is. It looks pretty good.

renault_megane_dci 01-10-2014 04:11 PM

Can you explain the setup on your front wheel in the pre-dustbin fairing picture ?
I think it might be your gear shift but I dont understand the layout (foot rests still attached to the front wheel ?)

sheepdog 44 01-10-2014 07:03 PM

I'd like to see a more detailed build on that as well. You can see a picture of it in his album.

I've noticed on many cubs there is a "horn like" protrusion where the gas tank is that would make a semi recumbent position difficult. I assume this can be easily removed?

http://www.midamericaauctions.com/wp...cub-1-5316.jpg

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr 01-11-2014 02:38 AM

Interesting project. I've already considered to make a Honda-based recumbent tadpole tricycle.

Ironside 01-11-2014 06:43 AM

Quote:


Can you explain the setup on your front wheel in the pre-dustbin fairing picture ?
I think it might be your gear shift but I dont understand the layout (foot rests still attached to the front wheel ?)
http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...81-c90-004.jpg

Footrests attached to front forks did not work well, any small movement would cause the bike to swerve, couldn't adjust my position in the saddle without wobbling all over the place.
This photo shows the current footrest layout, gearchange lever on the left connected with a stainless tube. I should have used a heavier gauge round tubing for the vertical section, the square section tubing flexes a little and had to braced. Left hand operated rear brake.

Quote:

I've noticed on many cubs there is a "horn like" protrusion where the gas tank is that would make a semi recumbent position difficult. I assume this can be easily removed?
This 'protrusion' is the fuel tank and on this particular model simply unbolts.

This photo shows the frame modifation needed for a more comfortable seating position.

http://ecomodder.com/forum/member-ir...052011-038.jpg

Quote:

I've already considered to make a Honda-based recumbent tadpole tricycle.
Have you cosidered a Piaggio MP3 as a basis?, should be an easy conversion.

renault_megane_dci 01-11-2014 06:04 PM

I don't know if MP3 are available in Brazil ;-)

The issue with the MP3 is it's very heavy to start with (also the CVT is usually not very efficient FE wise)

Ironside 01-12-2014 07:27 AM

I should have checked roosters location. Plenty of cheap Cubs in Brazil methinks.
The MP3 is heavy at 208Kg, coincidentally almost exactly the same as Visionary's effort, but I still think it would make a good streamliner for the following reasons :-

1. It has three wheels with a locking device , so complete enclosure would be possible as it can be stopped with 'feet up'.

2. It leans just like a 2 wheeler, so no handling problems.

3. Minimum amount of work would be required (body work only).

4. Registration would not be a problem as the chassis, wheels and brakes would remain unaltered.

I agree that the CVT is not the most effcient drive train, but with different sized pulleys, gearing changes might be possible. My son had a 125cc. CVT scooter, and that would do 100mpg. without any mods, not too shabby?


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