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aerohead 12-28-2022 12:58 PM

Tesla Megapack peaking plants up to 730-MWh
 
While I slept, Tesla's been selling their modular, plug-and-play, Megapack, grid-scale battery systems to supplant natural gas-fired turbine peaking plants.
April 2022, the Moss Landing, California, PG&E facility opened, with 730-MWh capacity.
They're in Australia, Alaska, Japan, and Texas as well.
As with their cars and trucks, these peaking plants receive over-the-air software upgrades, and have 'Powerhub' and 'Autobidder' packages which help monitoring & control, machine-learning, and automatic energy trading functions.
They're saving the customers money, and have up to a 20-year warranty.
Tesla's Gigafactory, Nevada is @ 92% recycling efficiency of Lithium-ion batteries.
Panasonic's Megapack, solar, hydrogen fuel cell: Kusatsu, Kyoto, Japan, Ene-Farm, manufacturing facility is hedging alternate energy technologies to cover all, power interruption contingencies.
In light of global governmental impotency, filthy, on-going climate conferences, and inability to actually 'act,' in dealing with climate challenges, it may turn out that, capitalists just go ahead and solve the problem on their own, and get wealthy in the process.

redpoint5 12-28-2022 02:18 PM

That was always the only possible solution. Global cooperation to voluntarily limit wealth doesn't exist in this universe. Lavish parties to pretend that's what people are going to do are real though.

freebeard 12-28-2022 02:40 PM

Anarchism, I tells ya.

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While I slept....
Is Anthropogenic Climate Change still inexorable or not?

aerohead 12-28-2022 02:53 PM

' inexorable'
 
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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 678395)
Anarchism, I tells ya.



Is Anthropogenic Climate Change still inexorable or not?

Seems like the really perspicacious scientists, closest to the data, and the gravity of the implications of the data, feel that we've already blown past the target temperature and are locked into realities not conducive to polite ( broadcast ) conversations.
In less than 200-years, we'll be going from the Holocene, back into the Eocene.
And like Greta Thunberg, I'll defer to the scientists.

freebeard 12-28-2022 03:02 PM

Think of all the new real estate in Antarctica!

It looks like G. Thunberg has better media people, base on her recently reply to Andrew Tate (not conducive to polite ( broadcast ) conversations).

aerohead 12-28-2022 03:22 PM

G.T.'s takedown comment
 
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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 678398)
Think of all the new real estate in Antarctica!

It looks like G. Thunberg has better media people, base on her recently reply to Andrew Tate (not conducive to polite ( broadcast ) conversations).

Exquisite!:thumbup:

wdb 12-28-2022 05:04 PM

Whilst you all whinge about government ineffectiveness, those entities continue to produce gigantic ca$h incentive$ and tax break$ for those doing the actual work. Like DARPA, working in ways we may or may not see. So ***** away, but also be thankful that smart people still want to serve in governments.

freebeard 12-28-2022 05:22 PM

Government effectiveness is sort of a loose cannon. Example being Chyna.

Smarty-pants, yes, but the scum rises to the top.

redpoint5 12-28-2022 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 678398)
It looks like G. Thunberg has better media people, base on her recently reply to Andrew Tate (not conducive to polite ( broadcast ) conversations).

Of course, I only am aware of that Tweet because of that Garfield cartoonist.

I'm liking Gretta slightly more after that one.

aerohead 01-03-2023 11:02 AM

' government'
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wdb (Post 678412)
Whilst you all whinge about government ineffectiveness, those entities continue to produce gigantic ca$h incentive$ and tax break$ for those doing the actual work. Like DARPA, working in ways we may or may not see. So ***** away, but also be thankful that smart people still want to serve in governments.

As an associate of Klaatu, stationed at our Earth-Observing, and listening post, at the Sea of Tranquility, our intercepts of communications inform us that, climate mitigation, as a function of government policy, has been continuously frustrated by a passive mechanism in the form of the 'Due Process' clause, of the 14th-Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which has stood since 1885.
As a structural road block, baked into the 'American' system, there's a low probability that it can ever be rectified, and so, any grand gesture 'solution' to the Earth climate challenge would, by default, have to come from outside the 'beltway.'
That said, we people of the solar system have taken extreme comfort from any mistakes made in the people's interest, and activities that fell through the cracks by public servants, academia, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Laboratories, CIA, NRO, NSA, FBI, Military Intelligence, RAND Corporation, US Congress Special Committees, and the private sector, etc.; whom escaped the clutches of Washington lobbyists of a certain stripe.
While we reserve the option of activating Gort, we'll continue to monitor for the time being. :)

oil pan 4 01-03-2023 01:06 PM

Nuclear power scares them more than "global warming" so no they don't really think it's a big deal.

oil pan 4 01-03-2023 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 678601)
As an associate of Klaatu, stationed at our Earth-Observing, and listening post, at the Sea of Tranquility, our intercepts of communications inform us that, climate mitigation, as a function of government policy, has been continuously frustrated by a passive mechanism in the form of the 'Due Process' clause, of the 14th-Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which has stood since 1885.
As a structural road block, baked into the 'American' system, there's a low probability that it can ever be rectified, and so, any grand gesture 'solution' to the Earth climate challenge would, by default, have to come from outside the 'beltway.'
That said, we people of the solar system have taken extreme comfort from any mistakes made in the people's interest, and activities that fell through the cracks by public servants, academia, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Laboratories, CIA, NRO, NSA, FBI, Military Intelligence, RAND Corporation, US Congress Special Committees, and the private sector, etc.; whom escaped the clutches of Washington lobbyists of a certain stripe.
While we reserve the option of activating Gort, we'll continue to monitor for the time being. :)

The communists don't have due process and are by far the worst polluters on the planet for CO2 and everything else. So don't blame the constitution for what should be nonexistent under other often hyped always failed/failing systems of government.

freebeard 01-03-2023 01:53 PM

I wasn't going to encourage aerohead going off the reservation, but since you take him seriously....

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...grand gesture 'solution' to the Earth climate challenge...
This has a faint odor of Hegelian Conflict Resolution, amirite?

oil pan 4 01-03-2023 02:19 PM

No one who simps for commies gets a free pass.

freebeard 01-03-2023 02:56 PM

No linky because language, but two days ago RazörFist put up a video (Ytube and Bichoot) called America FIST that argues that the left-right divide is Euro-trash politics and the only Constitutional posture is Federal government vs State goverment.

aerohead 01-03-2023 03:37 PM

'simps'
 
'Do svidaniya comrade!':thumbup:
Das Schlimmste kommt noch

freebeard 01-03-2023 06:48 PM

German-like typing detected. :confused: They rejected Antifa and ''democratic socialism' in the 1930s.

Худшее еще впереди.

redpoint5 01-03-2023 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 678624)
No linky because language, but two days ago RazörFist put up a video (Ytube and Bichoot) called America FIST that argues that the left-right divide is Euro-trash politics and the only Constitutional posture is Federal government vs State goverment.

That's essentially what I and many others have been stating, that the two parties are hardly distinguishable because they both revel in their second of victory as they lord newfound power concentrated in the executive branch over their opponent, only to have that power utilized and expanded against them tomorrow.

That is, the problem isn't who wields the insane amount of power, it's the fact they can in the first place.

aerohead 01-05-2023 11:50 AM

'power'
 
The Art of War, Sun Tsu.
A must-read for anyone interested in statecraft. This is where it began! ( at least as far as the written word ).

oil pan 4 01-21-2025 02:11 PM

https://youtu.be/xuTaZFQA18E
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xuTaZF...ature=youtu.be
That aged like fine unpasteurized whole milk. Chefs kiss, muh.

aerohead 01-25-2025 12:45 PM

' more artistic 'flare''
 
British Petroleum provides a higher drama coefficient,https://www.britannica.com/event/Dee...izon-oil-spill

freebeard 01-25-2025 03:02 PM

What? Non-nuclear energy sources having a little spat?

oil pan 4 01-26-2025 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 698247)
British Petroleum provides a higher drama coefficient,https://www.britannica.com/event/Dee...izon-oil-spill

So grid batteries are so terrible your only move is to try and talk about how bad oil is? Tells me all I needed to know.
The Truth is we're going to see fewer or no more deep water horizon disasters and we're going to see a lot more battery fires.

Piotrsko 01-27-2025 09:41 AM

Being way too optimistic on the lack of massive drilling platform fires.

13 years on and I am still awaiting the nuclear unstoppable battery fire in the homebuilt electric ranger since I resolutely refuse to conform.

aerohead 01-27-2025 11:27 AM

' grid batteries '
 
I put 'em right up there with Astaroth, toilet paper, and coffee ice cream.
I drove on electrons, from home, out to Morgan Freeman's Ground Zero Blues Club, in Clarksdale, Mississippi and back, never lamenting the CO2 I wasn't spewing into the atmosphere, from my Oklahoma oil wells.
Grid-scale batteries will be more and more part of that calculus moving forwards.
Less 'burn-baby-burn' means more and more hundreds of millions of tons of 'forever-plastics' in the Pacific Gyre, so, one day, I can drive to Honolulu for my fresh pineapple. I make money either way!:thumbup:
PS, I just love the smell of burning Lithium in the morning.

freebeard 01-27-2025 02:13 PM

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...Astaroth, toilet paper, and coffee ice cream.
One of those things is not like the others.
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Mythology.net
Astaroth - Goetic Demon | Mythology.net
Astaroth is often depicted as one of the demons that serves as the 'Great Duke of Hell' though there is some debate over if he is a demon or was simply brought into existence as a demon when the modern religions of this world rose to power.

oil pan 4 01-27-2025 05:35 PM

I love the smell of 730mwh of batteries sprinting towards net zero in the morning. Smells a little like 60 tons of hydrofluoric acid being released into the atmosphere.
https://youtu.be/pvRJaI2jV-Y

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pvRJaI...ature=youtu.be

freebeard 01-27-2025 06:16 PM

I was wondering whatever happened to liquid tin batteries. I was thinking of this:
www.internationaltin.org/liquid-tin-bismuth-battery-for-grid-scale-energy-storage/
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A team at University of Kentucky have patented a liquid metal battery using tin and bismuth electrodes, with molten zinc chloride, for grid-scale energy storage.

...
LMB batteries will support small-scale power grids linked to wind and solar power particularly. They are made relatively simply from commodity metals and so don’t rely on economies of scale to reduce costs. Importantly they are not subject to the same issues of degradation and dendrite formation that limit the life of traditional batteries, giving them potential for unprecedented operational life, possible of up to 20 years. They may outperform conventional technologies including lithium-ion and flow cell because of their unique design, fast charging, high rate capability, long life and manufacturing scalability.
But the technology has been superceded by another
hackaday.com/2024/01/08/liquid-tin-could-be-the-key-to-cheap-plentiful-grid-storage/
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The energy recovery process itself is quite unlike most traditional heat storage concepts. When the grid needs energy, liquid tin is pumped around the hot graphite blocks, which heats it up to 2,400 C. The tin is then run through thin graphite tubes, which glow white-hot as it passes through. The light emitted is then turned into electricity by thermophotovoltaic (TPV) cells. They’re essentially similar to solar cells, but they’re fine-tuned to most efficiently generate electricity from the wavelengths output by the graphite in this specific application. Through development, these cells have reached efficiency levels competitive with steam turbines when it comes to turning heat into electricity. The cells are designed to harvest the most high-energy wavelengths of light output by the hot graphite pipes, while reflecting back the rest so that the liquid tin remains as hot as possible.
Which sounds pretty good until you hear that Bill Gates has money behind it.
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Interesting Engineering
URL="https://interestingengineering.com › innovation › bill-gates-liquid-tin-energy"]Bill Gates' fund backs liquid tin energy storage startup[/URL]
Dec 15, 2023Bill Gates' fund backs startup offering liquid tin energy storage. Boston-based Fourth Power receives $19 million to develop its technology and for a 1 MWh-e prototype facility.

Logic 01-28-2025 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 678623)
No one who simps for commies gets a free pass.

Lets say a film crew follows you around for 10 years filming everything you do.
Then they edit and cut the footage to make 2 versions of; Oil Pan the Man.
  • 1 in which everything's edited too make you look like a good guy.
  • 1 in which everything's edited too make you look like a POS.
This is true for us all...
(out of contexting etc etc also helps)

So which version of just such a movie is 'Now Showing!" in your country..!?
(and worldwide)

Because the 'Joe Public' Russians I have met are generally good friendly people who will share and help as they know what having little is like.
These are the same people that were/are? shot as deserters if they turned around in battle.
So... "commies" means who exactly?
Everyone in Russia?
Or a 'painted picture'?
Or certain individuals?

I find putting a broader extra thought or 2 into thoughts seeded by 'The Narrative' is ... illuminating...

That said:
How long is 'The News' if every gasoline car that catches fire is put on the news?
Similarly;
Vaping is or was... all over the news, killing people.
How long will "The News' be if they give as much time to every cigarette smoker who died today as a result.

You wont, but putting a thought or 2 into "who really owns CNN, CBS, Fox, etc-etc is an interesting dead end of shell companies etc.
There's no better way of spreading 'your version of the truth' than finding someone who truly believes the script handed to him and putting him in font of a 'news' camera in a suit.
Or just paying someone that has all that all set up already.

Logic 01-28-2025 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 678601)
As an associate of Klaatu, stationed at our Earth-Observing, and listening post, at the Sea of Tranquility, our intercepts of communications inform us that, climate mitigation, as a function of government policy, has been continuously frustrated by a passive mechanism in the form of the 'Due Process' clause, of the 14th-Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which has stood since 1885.
As a structural road block, baked into the 'American' system, there's a low probability that it can ever be rectified, and so, any grand gesture 'solution' to the Earth climate challenge would, by default, have to come from outside the 'beltway.'
That said, we people of the solar system have taken extreme comfort from any mistakes made in the people's interest, and activities that fell through the cracks by public servants, academia, the National Academy of Sciences, the National Laboratories, CIA, NRO, NSA, FBI, Military Intelligence, RAND Corporation, US Congress Special Committees, and the private sector, etc.; whom escaped the clutches of Washington lobbyists of a certain stripe.
While we reserve the option of activating Gort, we'll continue to monitor for the time being. :)

Interesting...
Is it just me, or did you just say 'the system is rigged' and that's it's basically lobbyists running 'the show'?
Lobbiests being; extremely (financially) powerful corporations or groups?
Like the oil industry for 1 example..? :)

oil pan 4 01-28-2025 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logic (Post 698309)
Lets say a film crew follows you around for 10 years filming everything you do.
The they edit and cut the footage to make 2 versions of; Oil Pan the Man.
  • 1 in which everything's edited too make you look like a good guy.
  • 1 in which everything's edited too make you look like a POS.
This is true for us all...
(out of contexting etc etc also helps)

So which version of just such a movie is 'Now Showing!" in your country..!?
(and worldwide)

Because the 'Joe Public' Russians I have met are generally good friendly people who will share and help as they know what having little is like.
These are the same people that were/are? shot as deserters if they turned around in battle.
So... "commies" means who exactly?
Everyone in Russia?
Or a 'painted picture'?
Or certain individuals?

I find putting a broader extra thought or 2 into thoughts seeded by 'The Narrative' is ... illuminating...

That said:
How long is 'The News' if every gasoline car that catches fire is put on the news?
Similarly;
Vaping is or was... all over the news, killing people.
How long will "The News' be if they give as much time to every cigarette smoker who died today as a result.

You wont, but putting a thought or 2 into "who really owns CNN, CBS, Fox, etc-etc is an interesting dead end of shell companies etc.
There's no better way of spreading 'your version of the truth' than finding someone who truly believes the script handed to him and putting him in font of a 'news' camera in a suit.
Or just paying someone that has all that all set up already.

That's easy. After 10 years there would be zero minutes of me being the good guy.
People who are commies are the ones working to spread the cancer known as communism. People who support, spread commie propagandaand those who rally support for the cause. Poland, Taiwan and people who made it to the united states from Russia, cuba, Vietnam are some of the most hard core anit-communits out there.
Just because someone is Russia or Chinese doesn't automatically mean they're communist.

redpoint5 01-28-2025 11:47 AM

Scott Adams summarizes the 'good' and the 'bad' portrayals as the Documentary Effect. He uses Michael Jackson documentaries as his example where he believed MJ was a monstrous pedo after seeing one documentary, and then believing MJ was kindhearted and good after watching a different documentary. Our emotions are exploited with the music choice, the framing of the shots, what images they linger on, which they don't... you'll just end up believing whatever was the last thing you saw.

freebeard 01-28-2025 01:41 PM

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Poland, Taiwan and people who made it to the united states from Russia, cuba, Vietnam
Why do you put USofA and Cuba in the same bucket?

aerohead 01-30-2025 11:53 AM

' mythology.net '
 
I have no idea where they came up with that.
Astaroth is Yahweh's wife ( God's wife ), in the most early Hebrew traditions.

aerohead 01-30-2025 12:06 PM

' hydroflouric acid '
 
Oh, I just love it! Like that 2.5 PM entering directly into my and my loved one's brains from your Diesel's tailpipe.
History will write one day that, Heroin couldn't hold a candle to methane and CO2 as far as addictive substances go.
Eat all the Red Dye No. 3 you can before they take it off the market.

oil pan 4 01-30-2025 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 698360)
Oh, I just love it! Like that 2.5 PM entering directly into my and my loved one's brains from your Diesel's tailpipe.
History will write one day that, Heroin couldn't hold a candle to methane and CO2 as far as addictive substances go.
Eat all the Red Dye No. 3 you can before they take it off the market.

My diesel that's only been ran a hand full of times since 2013? Ha! You should be more worried about school buses and other municipal vehicles. If you don't have a high volume air filter that removes pm2.5 and a pm 2.5 meter then you don't really care about it and you're just being a drama queen.

redpoint5 01-30-2025 11:45 PM

I take every opportunity to enjoy the burnt diesel fragrance as the increasingly infrequent occasions present themselves. Memories of my more youthful days.

oil pan 4 01-31-2025 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oil pan 4 (Post 698268)
So grid batteries are so terrible your only move is to try and talk about how bad oil is? Tells me all I needed to know.
The Truth is we're going to see fewer or no more deep water horizon disasters and we're going to see a lot more battery fires.

Man that aged well.
https://youtu.be/qie10voAZ8g
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qie10v...ature=youtu.be

aerohead 02-01-2025 10:40 AM

' since 2013 '
 
* NASA satellites pick up your 'plume' over New Mexico every time you fire it up, and track it 'downwind.'
* All our school buses, city transit buses, solid waste disposal infrastructure, etc., was converted from Diesel, to compressed natural gas years ago.
* In order to capture a person's attention, I'm forced to ratchet up the level of 'drama' just to become visible beyond your sphere of drama ( dramatic proliferation ). Also, I've been wearing a tutu, and dancing around, pirouetting on toe-shoes while I type, in proper 'queen' fashion!
* And, The World Health Organization appears poised to provide nano-particulate filters to everyone, and all air-breathing creatures on the planet ( The invoice will be sent to the Global Association of Diesel Engine Manufacturers & Retailers, and the Association of Diesel Fuel Refiners, and Stockholders ).

aerohead 02-01-2025 11:09 AM

' battery fires '
 
https://www.google.com/search?q=coal...t=gws-wiz-serpI don't have a crystal ball, and I'm not into speculation, but since any 'fire' costs shareholders 'profits', I suspect that Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand' will figure out how to prevent future incidents.
Here's some data on USA coal-mine disasters and deaths:
https://arlweb.msha.gov/MSHAINFO/Fac...s/MSHAFCT8.htm
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