Thinking about a Tercel diesel engine swap
 

A while back I posted up a ad for a diesel Tercel in Canada that I had found. Ever since, I have been thinking about and now finally looking into what must be done to swap a diesel engine into the a Tercel. It must be a 95 or older Tercel since anything older than 96 is not emissions tested in my area. So, I can't swap this into an echo/yaris which is the intended chassis. Luckily, the Tercel was sold in a 4 door variant that is a requirement for a new car.

Anyway, I finally got a response from an importer who has an engine (pics below). They actually have the next generation engine which is a 1.4 instead of a 1.5. The engine code is 1ND-TV. This engine won't directly mount up to my engine mounts, but the drive shafts will plug right in.

Now, I know next to nothing about this engine, but it comes with everything you see below. I have a hope that some of our overseas people can help me out with knowing what else I might need to get it running? Or perhaps know where I could download a service manual (in english :D) or really just any helpful info to ask the importer.

A diesel ecomodded Tercel would be an absolute beast of a car as far as MPGs go... I find my ability to resist this project is quite weak. :)


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Well, I poked around google image search and found something missing right off the bat. There should be an EGR cooler (shiny boxy thing in front of the engine) up front from the looks of it. At least thats what I think it is.

http://www.tercelreference.com/downloads/1ndtv_01.JPG

Not much help but it may point you in the right direction - this engine is used in the Auris (think Corolla for overseas types) and possibly the Yaris D4-D this side of the pond. The toyota owners club have a few people who post about it on their forums. The service info for those two cars may be of use.

Is that supposed to have a turbo?

Diesel vehicles are also exempt in Wisconsin. Can't you convert it to diesel and get the fuel type changed on the title/registration?

I am quite sure that is a inter-cooler on top of the engine and the turbo is at the back of the engine. It is a similar set-up to the supercharged Cooper S.

Good luck, Neddy Seagoon.

I think I'd rather stay with a smaller, lighter vehicle anyway for better mpg. The echo and yaris both weigh more (although a yaris 5 door would be cool). I also wont have to bother with any paperwork if I go 95 or older which is just a bit reassuring.

Yeah, the 1ND-TV was also usedon the Cooper S apparently in addition to the Yaris and Auris.

I did sign up on yarisclubuk.com. It seems to be more of a performance forum, so there arent many diesels on it. But, I'm hoping I can get some info from over there. I guess I'll also look for an Auris forum as well.

Well, unfortunately the other forums I went to were of little use. They're all 'performance' oriented and basically didn't have any knowledgeable diesel users there. That hasn't thwarted me though. I still would love to do this swap.

Diesel fuel, for starters.



I couldn't resist:p

I'll look around local forums, I know that diesels are very popular on the Continent, so I hope to find something.

That gave me an idea for a Google Search, and I found a UK Toyota forum: Toyota Owners Club UK

I think there's a forum in the UK for each model/cars that have been made in the last 120 years :D
People are quite a bit more talkative on this side of the pond

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I tried posting there in the Yaris forums. I had one reply, but it wasn't real helpful.

Daox, my engine has the same egr as the one you have pictured. I have looked high and low for an egr cooler for it but to no avail.
I must also point out that you will need a new egr valve to go with the cooler as the non-cooler valve has no external port to attach the cooler to. Which is a bit of a nuisance! Also, a new intake body will be needed for the same reason.....
Here is a toyota website that has information:Toyota Service Information
You have to pay for a lot of it but if time was used wisely, there would be a lot to download in the time you have paid for.
Hope that was more useful than the guy in the toyota owners club.......;):D

ollie

Thanks ollie. I saw that site linked on one of the other sites. I'll probably have to go that way to get any solid info.

I also just noticed you have my engine! You are my new friend. :D

I did talk with the engine importer and he said he had another engine with the EGR cooler.

Does your 1ND-TV have a CAT? I was talking with a guy over the weekend and he said most of the Japanese cars are going with a NOx trapping CAT instead of Mercedes urea injection. Know anything about this or any other emissions stuff that might not come with just the engine swap?

I also talked with Ben Nelson this weekend and he informed me that I can in fact convert a 96+ vehicle. I just have to bring it in for inspection like he did with his electric car to get emissions exempt. I guess we'll see what cars come along.

This brings up the idea that I could just swap the engine into my Paseo... Its more aerodynamic anyways... VERY tempting.

I registered on two Polish Toyota forums and asked for info on the 1ND-TV engine and any advice on putting it in a Tercel. Now we wait...

BTW How much did you say that engine is going for? I looked at local auctions and there are relatively new (2-4 years old) 1.4 D4D engines from a Yaris or Corolla going for around US$1000. I'm sure you could find them even cheaper in Germany or France (that's where most of the used car parts sold here are from).

I'm starting to daydream about putting a turbodiesel into an old (=light) car, adding a 6 speed tranny and aeromodding it 'til its own factory won't recognize it. Wake me up when I start to drool...

The importer wanted $1700 (plus shipping I assume). That includes pretty much everything though, engine, tranny, ecu, and wire harness.

Go with that one as it'll have less emissions.
eg: the 2004 one is at 4.2L\100k combined and 113g\km of CO2.
The 2009 one is at 4.1\100k combined and 109g\km CO2

Mine doesn't have any fancy urea injection, nothing of it mentioned in the manual. In any case, if wikipedia is right then i do about 84g\km of CO2:Fuel economy in automobiles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'd say it's a plain old cat.
I see there is an aircon compressor on your engine. You're going to get rid of that aren't you????:p

ollie

Also, if it's parts you're after then go to ebay.co.uk and type in "diesel yaris" then rearrange by price, starting with the cheapest parts.Oh boy......

Wooo thanks a lot Ollie. You've been more helpful than anyone at this point. Are you aware of any other changes between the 04 and 09 engine?

Nothing that i can find. And i doubt phoning up a toyota dealer will reveal any more info. It's tough at the fringe of society!

ollie

lol true. Thank you very much for the help.

So, I purchased some time and downloaded a ton of small PDFs last night. I've been reading through them and am blown away with the level of technology they are putting into these engines. Here are a few things:

- low friction coating on piston skirts
- smart charging (low voltage on acceleration, high voltage on deceleration, - uses current and temperature sensors on the battery)
- variable vane turbocharger
- hollow camshafts for reduced weight (and used for oiling)

There is more but I can't remember it all. Overall, very cool.

I was also able to download some of the 2008 specs. This uses a redesigned engine which is much more complex IMO. It uses electronics in a lot of areas where vacuum controlled things before. So, it sounds like the older engine will be easier to work with.

Where can I buy time ?

Thats a reasonably cool engine for a swap. Japanese diesel tech tends to be half a generation behind the latest Euro ones - German and French mainly - but only half a generation and not a full one. Even the Koreans have some pretty cool Diesel engines - 110 bhp from a 1.5 isn't bad even now.

Vtec-e posted it earlier:

Toyota Service Information