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JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 01:34 AM

Visual quiz
 
Post a rough drawing or side profile pic of a car that is your best estimate of the shape of a car having these upper surface pressures:

https://i.postimg.cc/Qx7xfVKZ/pressures.jpg

Note 1: Start of graph is front of car (ie left) and finish of graph is rear of car (ie right).

Note 2: Centreline measured pressures

This quiz is a bit harder!

redpoint5 09-24-2020 01:44 AM

https://www.carparts.com/blog/wp-con...odge-viper.jpg

JK

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 631769)

Interesting, but that rear spoiler doesn't seem to fit, does it?

redpoint5 09-24-2020 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 631770)
Interesting, but that rear spoiler doesn't seem to fit, does it?

Right, which is why I added JK.

Was the first thing I thought of when imagining a car with a hood line that dips down before hitting the windshield.

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redpoint5 (Post 631772)
Right, which is why I added JK.

Was the first thing I thought of when imagining a car with a hood line that dips down before hitting the windshield.

I have no idea what 'JK' means!

jakobnev 09-24-2020 03:49 AM

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https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1600933704

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JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakobnev (Post 631775)

Pretty good. Maybe some work on the front end? (Front of car starts at extreme left of graph)

jakobnev 09-24-2020 04:20 AM

Quote:

Front of car starts at extreme left of graph
Just couldn't "see" what was there, and I was in a hurry before my guess might be tainted by other peoples guesses.

Vman455 09-24-2020 08:14 AM

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/80...afbcb0ba0b.png

I don't know; I'm trying to think of cars with long hoods and a sharp windshield-to-roof transition. It's the pressures at the front that have me stumped.

aerohead 09-24-2020 03:50 PM

long
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vman455 (Post 631780)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a7/80...afbcb0ba0b.png

I don't know; I'm trying to think of cars with long hoods and a sharp windshield-to-roof transition. It's the pressures at the front that have me stumped.

Really long!

redpoint5 09-24-2020 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 631773)
I have no idea what 'JK' means!

Just Kidding.

I guess kids these days use emoticons.

aerohead 09-24-2020 04:28 PM

upper pressure profile
 
Seems like an earlier pre-fascia car, with a jutting front bumper, nerf-bars, and very long bonnet, which narrows it down to something akin to an XKE Jaguar Coupe.

freebeard 09-24-2020 06:02 PM

If I could post new pics I'd have better subjects.

Open top car?

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 631818)
Seems like an earlier pre-fascia car, with a jutting front bumper, nerf-bars, and very long bonnet, which narrows it down to something akin to an XKE Jaguar Coupe.

Not a bad guess, but incorrect.

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 06:13 PM

For people struggling with the front pressures, to my eyes the whole graph looks exaggerated vertically - that is, the pressure variations are all greater than I would have expected based on my own measurements on other cars.

So maybe when picturing the car, dial back the pressure variations (but not whether they're positive or negative) a bit.

Having said that, people are doing a pretty good job so far.

redpoint5 09-24-2020 06:20 PM

Oops, I just realized positive pressure was below the x-axis. My mind always defaults to a positive value being represented higher on the chart. My ability to visualize would be helped by flipping it.

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 631822)
If I could post new pics I'd have better subjects.

Open top car?

Why can't you post pics? I use https://postimages.org/

And no, it's definitely not an open top car.

freebeard 09-24-2020 07:25 PM

The better question is why I think I could do better.

Mostly it's a mental block. The last copy I bought, 2nd hand, of Photoshop doesn't work on my current system. I've tried Krita and some others but nothing clicks. My best bet is likely Greasepaint inside Blender, but that's where the mental block comes in. I've beat my head against the learning curve in 3D, so I'm leery of taking on the 2D side. Or the video compositing.

So Mercedes Benz SSK mit kompressor?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/bb...92c846a4b1.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/bb...92c846a4b1.jpg

Vman455 09-24-2020 07:45 PM

Are we at least on the right track with the sports cars?

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vman455 (Post 631838)
Are we at least on the right track with the sports cars?

Yes.

ennored 09-24-2020 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vman455 (Post 631838)
Are we at least on the right track with the sports cars?

Which rules out a dedicated racecar?

JulianEdgar 09-24-2020 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ennored (Post 631851)
Which rules out a dedicated racecar?

No it's not a dedicated race car.

M_a_t_t 09-25-2020 12:10 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/tgFHPGQb/000122.jpg

Do you consider this a sports car? I feel like the front has to have a lip or lights or some type of disturbance in the stagnation zone.

JulianEdgar 09-25-2020 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M_a_t_t (Post 631857)
https://i.postimg.cc/tgFHPGQb/000122.jpg

Do you consider this a sports car? I feel like the front has to have a lip or lights or some type of disturbance in the stagnation zone.

No, the graph isn't of my car.

And the car in question doesn't have additional lights.

JulianEdgar 09-25-2020 02:18 AM

OK, time for clues.

They later fitted a rear spoiler to reduce the rear lift.

There - now everyone will get it, right?!

jakobnev 09-25-2020 04:39 AM

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Quote:

They later fitted a rear spoiler to reduce the rear lift.
That makes me think of this one, but that doesn't look right to me:
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1601022943

aerohead 09-25-2020 12:35 PM

now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JulianEdgar (Post 631870)
OK, time for clues.

They later fitted a rear spoiler to reduce the rear lift.

There - now everyone will get it, right?!

1st-gen Audi TT ?

JulianEdgar 09-25-2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerohead (Post 631902)
1st-gen Audi TT ?

Not the first generation Audi TT.

JulianEdgar 09-25-2020 05:03 PM

Another clue. The shape first came out in the mid-late 1970s.

Vman455 09-25-2020 10:18 PM

https://www.lambocars.com/images/countach/lp4006.jpg

I'm just throwing spaghetti at the wall at this point.

JulianEdgar 09-25-2020 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vman455 (Post 631954)
https://www.lambocars.com/images/countach/lp4006.jpg

I'm just throwing spaghetti at the wall at this point.

Nope, there wouldn't be the major pressure rise ahead of the windscreen.

M_a_t_t 09-26-2020 12:11 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/7L0q96mW/Figure-7-26b.png

?

JulianEdgar 09-26-2020 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M_a_t_t (Post 631959)

Nope, but you're getting warmer.

freebeard 09-26-2020 01:04 AM

https://ecomodder.com/forum/member-f...684-dasher.jpg
Giorgetto Giugiaro's B2 Passat/2nd gen Audi 80?

JulianEdgar 09-26-2020 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 631961)

Nope, but you're also fairly warm. Sports car, remember (previous response).

JulianEdgar 09-26-2020 03:15 AM

OK, another clue: it's German.

jakobnev 09-26-2020 04:13 AM

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New guess then:
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1601107561


Also about the wing on the Countach: What I learned from Harry's garage was that the wing was deliberately angled to do absolutely nothing. Customers asked for it because it looked cool (It was in that Cannonball Run movie) but if it provided any down force, the front lift problem the car already had, turned into total disaster.

JulianEdgar 09-26-2020 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakobnev (Post 631968)
New guess then:
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1601107561


Also about the wing on the Countach: What I learned from Harry's garage was that the wing was deliberately angled to do absolutely nothing. Customers asked for it because it looked cool (It was in that Cannonball Run movie) but if it provided any down force, the front lift problem the car already had turned into total disaster.

Extremely warm!

jakobnev 09-26-2020 05:36 AM

Quote:

Extremely warm!
Four numbers away?

JulianEdgar 09-26-2020 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakobnev (Post 631972)
Four numbers away?

Yes! To win, you need to post a pic. (And you don't actually win anything)


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