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JeffD 07-06-2013 06:59 PM

vortex generators in front of rear wheels
 
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Another VG data point to throw into the mix....
I tried Vortex Generators in front of my rear wheels and attempted my first ABA testing (Actually BABA). Found a flat stretch of road, 54 mph using cruise control (never shut the car off so it was the same each time), no AC, relatively calm but humid out. Couldn't help but have a few cars passing me going the other way. I don't know where other folks live, but it's hard to find a good testing spot around here.
Anyhow, these are the numbers:

With VG's
North: 29.8, 30.9, 29.4, 29.6
South: 31, 30.4, 29.9

W/o VG's
North: 30, 29.6
South: 30.7, 30.5, 30

I don't see much difference.
Has anyone got data for VG's in front of rear wheels?

Sporty Modder 07-06-2013 11:49 PM

So I averaged out your data points
30.179 with vg's
30.1 wo

There are not enough data points to get a real feel for the advantages/disadvantages.

CitroX 07-07-2013 07:33 AM

usually vg's make very little difference on cars thus it's hard to see a difference in mpg. And I doubt that putting them in front of a wheel is a good idea. Covering the wheel arches or adding some flow deflectors would give a better result. I would try tuft testing.

ChazInMT 07-07-2013 12:36 PM

As I keep trying to point out when I see VG Gimmicks discussed, Skin drag is not the enemy of fuel efficiency with vehicles, it is pressure/form drag that we must address.

By messing with air only an inch or so away from the skin of the car, air which is already decidedly non-laminar...meaning it is already vortexing...these devices accomplish nothing.

If you want to improve your cars aerodynamics, you need to make changes in the shape of the car, this will affect the pressure, hopefully reducing drag.

Buffeting the buffeted air 1" from the skin of a car which is creating effects on the air many feet out from the skin in every direction is like wondering why the flow of a 6 foot deep river isn't changed by more than a tiny fraction if there is a stony bottom or a smooth one.

When you look at VG's in the big picture, they're a joke. You will never gain a discernible change in fuel efficiency with VG's alone.

euromodder 07-07-2013 06:19 PM

In that position, I'm not too sure what the VGs would or could accomplish.

Creating an air blanket over the wheel well is a bit too ambitious, I'm afraid ;)
A cover for the wheel arches would have more effect.

Xist 07-07-2013 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChazInMT (Post 379395)
When you look at VG's in the big picture, they're a joke. You will never gain a discernible change in fuel efficiency with VG's alone.

We need to sic MythBusters on them! :D

sendler 07-07-2013 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffD (Post 379348)
VG's in front of rear wheels?

The vortex generators may be too close to the wheel openings to set up a good stream along the panel before it disappears. try moving them forward a foot.

Frank Lee 07-07-2013 07:56 PM

I'd try moving them back about 5 feet.

JeffD 07-07-2013 09:33 PM

Should have known I was in for it :o. The idea was to add a bit of turbulence to the BL to get past the wheel well without flow separation. Thought it was worth a try. At least give me style points for using painters tape that matches my truck so well :).

Maybe it'd work better if I was going as fast as a jet instead of 55? Anyhow, just a data point in case anyone else was considering it.

Closing off the arch would be better, but not sure I'm that ambitious.

CitroX: I am curious to understand what you mean by flow deflectors. Something like spats?

euromodder 07-08-2013 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffD (Post 379436)
Should have known I was in for it :o. The idea was to add a bit of turbulence to the BL to get past the wheel well without flow separation.

The wheel well is a very high turbulence area - bad aerodynamics and a spinning wheel ...
VGs will have a tough time fighting all that existing turbulence.

It wouldn't be easy to design and position VGs to blanket the wheel well.
If it's possible at all ...

Quote:

Maybe it'd work better if I was going as fast as a jet instead of 55?
On aircraft, VGs are used to keep the airflow on the wing / fuselage.
In front of a wheel arch ... there's nothing much to keep the air onto.


Did you decide on the truck's color to match the tape ?
That's dedication :p


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