VW Lupo 3L --> 2L (2014 unofficial target: standing mile end speed 300 km/h )
 

Hi,

Edit: Pictures from the project can be found:
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Edit:
Mods done so far:
3.5 bars at the tires
145/80R14 Bridgeatone B381 ecopias--> 5% taller gearing
DRL led lights
DIY smooth hubcaps
DIY Front grill block mk3
DIY Smaller mirrors with boattail covers mk1
DIY full smooth undertray mk2
DIY rear wheel skirts
DIY high flow exhaust pipe, mk2
Radio antenna delete
EGR delete
-60mm lowering
Toe and camber adjusted to zero
- BV35 turbo
- water injection
- New exhaust manifold
- ECU programmed software version ~25
- Converted the car to manual
- Extra wastegate
- Intercooling ducting
- Throttle pedal spring limiter to 80% to ease economical accelerations


At the moment roof chopping under construction and lots of other mods.

Weight savings:
rear seat -13kg
exhaust pipe -7kg
Dashboard -30kg
Right front seat -12.5 kg
DIY clasfiber drivers seat with fan cooling -5 kg
Two litium batteries -15kg (900grams per piece)

Best fuel consumption so far 1.94 l/100km @ 86.9 km/h or 121.07 mpg (US) at 54 MPH

Best fuel consumption @100 km/h speed 2.158 l/100km.

Best standing mile 199.8 km/h

picture after two liter tank:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...76133192_n.jpg

Its quite fast if needed ;).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxjeITWD1Wc

For summer 2014 Lupo will get a 1.9 tdi with about 350 hp and target is to beat some standing mile records, I am hoping lupo will reach 300 km/h club. I am not doing the modifications I just gave the car for good purpose. I hoping speed freaks will start to think aeromodding serious option for more speed after next summer ;).

http://s18.postimg.org/qkpuxfpw9/lupo.jpg

Best of luck in your journey ! :thumbup:

All the way to Deutchland and back? That's quite a journey! Good luck:)

Out of curiosity I checked the prices here, and they are in the 2000-4400€ range, so similar to what you found (most are imported from D anyway).

Cheapest Lupo 3l are under 2000€ in germany but usually there are some minor faults in them. For this first 3L I try to find good one at least from technigue perspective so Full service history will be big plus.

Lupo 3L, one of my favourite eco cars, nice interior space from driver and rear passengers, nice looking(for this type of car), nice braking, handling with eco off is not bad.
I have recently done a turbo, intake manifold, egr and intercooler service on one lupo 3L, very nice engine, i recommend you to test the front arms, the turbo and check intercooler for leaking in the upper intercooler pipe.
But to be honnest, i dont think you can get 2L/100 unless your driving very slow at highway, its hard to tune a very well tuned car, to do that, you need to know a lot about aero and mechanic, but i dont believe in miracles.

I second that.

I've tried and tried to get my kilometerage:) below 3.2L/100k but cannot. Not for a full tank anyway. And i cant trust my scangauge, not with a diesel.
But it does go to show how INefficient most cars are. Which unfortunately is the majority of cars.

But, on a positive note, it also shows that there is major scope for mpg improvement if the driver is willing to cop the f*** on and stop wellying it!!:D

Good luck !

I hope it's in good shape - especially the transmission.

Thats a neat way of getting several tanks (or maybe just one:eek:) in the fuel log from day 1...

Good luck.

Vekke, what transmission is it? I think I read somewhere that all of the 3L's had an automatic, but I've seen a few offers which claimed that it's a manual, and in 1-2 cases the picture of the interior actually suggested that is true. I also found a forum where someone described swapping the auto for a manual. It was also mentioned there that this is the only way to have a manual 3L.

+1 I thought it was an early or adapted DSG style one.

We will have to wait until the end of the road trip :D

All Lupo 3L are with robot automatic. So you can take the robot changer off and put regular cables or change the whole gearbox. I will not leave the robotic gearbox on because changes take about 0.7 seconds and its not smooth changes.

Found and test droved one that I will most likely buy on monday if all paperwork are in order at the moment we have agreed on 2100€. Lets see if I can drop it even more on monday.

Tomorrow to porsche museum and also mercedes museum

Oh man i can't wait to see pics of this thing! Not to mention the fuel log(s)!

Don't forget Komputerspielmuseum and Currywurstmuseum while you are down there! (Not to mention Trabiworld!)

Have a great time in my old hometown!

Back to Finland and the trip went fine. First 800 km driven with the car:
Test of fuel consumption:
@ 100 km/h for 100 km was 2.8 l/100km cars fuel consumtion meter
@ 120 km/h for 100 km was 3.5-3.6 l/100 km
rest of the trip on motorways at speeds of 120-155 for most of the time. That car is amazingly quiet at those speeds!.
Tested also the top speed and it was about 170 km/h and the car went like a train at those speeds also.
Total drived distance was 800 km and the calculated fuel consumption was same 4.0 liter/100km as what the computer had calculated. Howeever the speedometer is about 6% off so the true fuel consumtion was about 4.3 l/100km.

My plates are valid also on tomorrow so I will do some trip to get more data on lower speeds.

At least power steering is not working and also the start and stop system is also broken or I dont know how to use it properly. Anyway so Far I have spend about 3100€ for the car and it is truly amazing piece of machine!. It has lots on room inside and it`s very nice car to drive in city and also in motorways. Its not good at high speed cornering but its not designed to be a race car. More story will follow soon...

Very cool, can't wait to hear more!

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...3642791&type=1
First pictures are there.

Nice:cool:
I noticed in the pics that the side mirrors are manually adjusted. What about windows? When I was thinking about getting a Lupo it was VERY hard to find one without electric everything, P/S, A/C, etc.

What kind of roads did you drive on? Autobahn? I wonder if the ride would be as nice as you said on Polish roads, with all their potholes? A light car with pumped up tires would just be bouncing around.

Yes mirrors and windows are manual. Mirrors are small but they can be little bit smaller and give better visibility. There is no A/C on the car and the power steering does not work but that does not bother me, because I dont need them so much. 90% of that driving was on autobahns and motorways rest 10% was city driving.

I just made second test drive with current tires @ 100 km/h result was 3.0 l/100km. Before the run I also checked tire pressures and they were very low. 3 were at 2 bar and one at 2.5. Now they all are at 3.5 bars or 51 PSI.

I also took 2.5 hour tour in Poland Gdynia and few other small cities near the harbour. The roads werent in perfect condition and you had lots of small cars there. Anyway its was nice to see some other countries also. I also got "robbed" in bakery. The sum was 9.2 local money and they took 4 euros of it. I though that the course was 1€=4 local money? Anyway food was still half the price what it would have cost in Finland.

Vekke, do you have the VW Self-Study Programme 218 on The Lupo 3L (pdf, 3.2 MB)

If you want it, I can email it to you.

"The engine is shut down automatically when the vehicle is stationary and first gear is selected. The can be started as soon as the driver's door is closed and the brake pedal is pressed."

"What conditions must be met before the engine is shut down automatically?
1. 6a.
The gate selector lever is in position E.
2. 6b.
Economy mode is active.
3. 6c.
The brake must be kept pressed down for at least three seconds.
4. 6d.
The brake pressure switch indicates that a certain brake pressure is being applied to the brakes.
5. 6e.
The ABS wheel speed sensor, as well as the gearbox speed sender and the speedometer sender signal to the system that the vehicle is stationary.
The coolant temperature must be higher than 17 ° C.
The intake air temperature must be higher than 0 ° C.
The auxiliary heater must not be switched on.
The headlights must be switched off.
The alternator load factor must not exceed 55%."

Having the radio on can cause the 3L not to shut down !


"How does the vehicle resume operation?
1. 4.
The driver releases the brake pedal.
2. 5.
The gearbox control unit starts the engine.
The gearbox control unit ends the starting cycle and allows the starter to disengage."



Try to find Self-Study Programmes No. 209 and No. 221.

Thanks for that info. I have that manual but havent read it with thought yet.

Reason is propably the eco mode switch, because I havent used it more than few test accelerations and newer on stanstill. Will try that also on tomorrow when I will drive it to Neste Rally Finland ;).

Used 175/80R14 tires were able to rotate on the Lupo 3L but bad noises come at turns from driveshafts so did only short test run and fuel consumtion meter showed 3.3 liter but road was now also damp due to rain than the previous todays test was 22 celsius and dry. Difference in diameter is 14% so if the fuel consumtion was 3.3 that makes it better even on rain and much wider tires. 3.0 l/100km --> 3.42l/100km. I think good diameter would be something like 8-10% taller tires. One good choice i Toyo 310 in 155/80R14 which I will most likely buy. First I need to test some tires with same diameter that will those make also the same noise.

What are the tyres, was there a "special" one on them from the factory ?

And are those the original 3L wheels ? I've seen those on a local Lupo petrol which a neighbour owned until the snow last winter - it was totalled by a 4x4 assuming it could stop as quick as it could go in the white stuff.

51 PSI - I may try that after my current tank on the Aygo - I'm at 40 just now (factory is 35 and sidewall is 55)

PS - photos whilst driving. Hmmm. ;)

I'm sorry to hear about the 'incident' in the bakery:( Unfortunately, some people still think that a foreigner with German plates is über-rich and won't notice or care if someone makes some money on him:mad: I apologize for my fellow countrymen and hope that the rest of your stay in Poland was better. And yes, 1€ = 4zlotys(PLN).

Euromodder - that is a great manual:D I wish Peugeot put an equal amount of care into its customers' satisfaction...
I wonder how hard/easy it would be to hack the start/stop function to allow engine off coasting in certain circumstances? OR would it be easier to by-pass it than hack it.

That bakery incident was no biggie. But similar incidents happens to all tourists. First the cashier said 3€ euros and then the orher cashier or maybe the owner said that it will be 4 euros...

In germany taxi driver took 15 km longer route on my way to licence plate workshop. His Tomtom said that turn left and he went right on many junctions...

Anyway with my little electrical knowledge it would need three things to hack/bypass:
- On switch to brake pedal sensor (easy)
- No speed pulses from wheel speed sensors so 4 off switches there (medium difficulty)
- temper the brake pressure sensor to show brake pressure to computer (for me medium to hard, for electrical engineer should be piece of cake). Might need only some resistor etc...

Rest of the sensors dont need any tempering unless you dont wish to make the engine turn off more than VW has wished to be on cold etc situations...

Will it work with these mods?

I've done that "Clint Eastwood" moment when you ask the taxi driver how many places in this town have the same name. The best was the guy at Brussels airport who went along the runways and back again 2 or 3 times. He wasn't happy when challenged but the local guy from the company I wasn working with turned up just at that moment...

Congratulations on your new car. As a hypermiling enthusiast, it's impossible you won't like it a lot. If I can ever be of any help, owning the Lupo 3L's sibling, i.e. the Audi A2 3L, feel free to drop me a line. Both cars' drivetrains are as good as identical, as you may know.

As a matter of fact, I've just driven our A2 all the way to our holiday resort in southern France and back, over 2500 km / 1500 miles in all, most of which (slowly) on the highway, but also several tens of kilometers on fairly steep hills, and sacrificing fuel economy in some nasty traffic jams as well. With wife, kids (2 toddlers) and luggage, so in all weighing in an extra 200 kg / 400 lbs, I still managed a decent 2.6 l/100 km (90 MPG). Hypermiled carefully though, a Lupo or A2 3L will still do well better than 2.4 l/100 km / 100 MPG, as both my fuel logs and fellow-owners' at spritmonitor.de will tell. But from my experiences, that's about the best you can realistically do, or for that matter, will ever see any bog-standard non-hybrid car capable of. Moreover, bear in mind these cars were designed over a decade ago.

As a side remark, most A2 and Lupo 3Ls came without power steering whatsoever. So are you quite sure yours is broken? Who needs power steering in a car weighing less than a ton anyway, right?

Btw, your Lupo's weight you mentioned in its specs is prolly in kg and not in lbs. 830 kg = 1830 lbs.

VW Lupo 3L standard magnesium rim + 155/65R14 continentalecocontact3 tire weights total of about 10 kg +-0.4 kg.

For some reason scangauge II did not work on my car :/. Now I will head towards rally stages.

Good point that mine does not even propably have the power steering. Some of the later 2002 model have it. If you have the power steering start & stop system does not exist in your car. Reason why I thought it was there that last inspection had put it to faults list for some reason...

At least in the Audi A2 3L's equivalent, if not identical system, this is not entirely true. I've had the engine auto-shutdown with my lights on, although obviously, much less consistently than with headlights off.
I hope Vekke won't be hampered too much by this headlight precondition, as afaik in his native Finland, having your headlights on at daytime is mandatory.

That I can confirm on the A2. Sometimes, in colder weather conditions, switching off the interior ventilator or the windscreen wiper when coming to a halt at a traffic light will make the difference between having the engine shut off and leaving it on :)

One way to get around that would be to install LED daytime running lights. They would also reduce electrical load. My DRLs use only 11W, instead of ~200W for headlights, position, registration plate, dashboard lights:eek:

Slightly OT question - would DRLs style lights (LEDs ?) work as a replacement for dipped headlights and use less power ? I'm thinking more for being seen in bad weather rather than illuminating the road ahead.

Why don't you get in touch with Nokian, and ask to do some real-life testing of their upcoming eco-tyres that they claim will have greatly reduced RR ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_I2q-M8pY4


;)

Sure.
LED headlights are coming to production cars - a (very) few already have them.

But you can't just use DRL-sets as dipped beams.
It's downright illegal.

That's excellent mileage you got there !

I don't think Vekke's Lupo will remain unmodified much longer ;)

Does it have ABS ?
If not, why not run them all 4 to 1 switch instead of using 4 switches ?

What is your slowly? 80 km/h?
Corrected that weight.
Today made the second fillup and was able to reach 3.14 l/100km actual speeds are on the fuel log. With full P&G mode @ 86 km/h was able to reach 2.4-2.5 l/100km figures on the cars computer.

Also the start & stop system works:thumbup:. Also with lights on and even with radio on fan. It might depend more on the altenator load so if your battery has power it can shut down more easily.

I will have a meeting with Nokian passenger tire department later on August after summer holiday season. Because you are rigth that I need all the help to reach that 2 liter target. I have my own idea of what I would need on my Lupo and its not regular tire at all. dont know if its possibly to manufacture or not but they can propably answer my questions. First I need to get to proper range with the gears before they can help me more.

I think I have ABS as a standard.

On average 90 km/h, but obviously, p&g'ing, in practice that's anywhere between 75 km/h (uphill) and 125 km/h (downhill).
From the last traffic jam in the Avignon region on, we drove over 1100 km non-stop in about 13 hours, including a handful of stops to switch drivers and 1 fill-up.

Would you mind egging on the good folks at Nokian to produce their top-notch LRR tyre in the 145/80 R14 size my A2 3L needs? All marketing aside, the abovementioned Youtube movie showed impressive results on their experimental new type of LRR tyre.
Bridgestone's B381 Ecopia, designed (over a decade ago) especially for the Lupo and the A2 3L, are the only tyres in this size category, and they're becoming increasingly hard to find. And I'd genuinely hate to shoe my A2 with anything worse, i.e. wider than 145/80 R14 ... "Less drag = Less fuel", as someone said ;)

That is some nice avg speed. For refence I appreciate all fuel logs which have even some data of what have happened during fillups ;). It is much easier to estimate how other cars is running if you have even some data of the speeds driven and other mods made etc.

When you P&G does your engine sometimes rev up before the clutch bites in? I have this kind of problems if I am on the throttle when I put the gear in :/.

I also today hunted those 145/80R14 tires with no luck. Also those 155/80R14 Toyo tires are under rock. I finded only Nangkang on that size and that is a no go even for a test. I will propably see shortly guys from Nokia at Power truck show:
Power Truck Show - Galleria which is a trade show and truck show. Tires that I will need for my Lupo 3L will also fit your car for sure ;).

Today the cars inspection was a clear pass and the modding can really begin. Today installed smooth tinted polycarbonate TuneCovers:
Less drag = Less fuel | Aluminium wheel hubcaps | Eco Tuning --> Tuneko Ltd

Wheel Machine 2000 - Felgen Tuning und Reifen has 20 Bridgestones B381 on stock in that size.
61 euro apiece.

It's a sign of the times that even the more recent eco-tyres - Conti EcoContact 3 , Michelin Energy Saver, ... - aren't made in that size.