What are the famous design failure cars?
 

What do you think is the most failed car in design? I will first say my point of view. Tribeca

The original Honda Insight.

Dmc

Why would you call that a failure? Still gets better mpg than just about anything out there, and mine's still going after 18 years and ~200K miles.

Compare that to say the Chevy Vega :-)

Design in what sense?

As in styling, Edsel comes to my mind first. Then Aztek. And the bustle-trunk Seville.

One could also say "design failure" as it pertains to the mechanicals, such as Vega's horseisht aluminum bore engine and the lack of rust protection on the rest of the heap. It's such as shame as I find Vega's styling attractive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Tribeca

Why do you choose a Subaru? How did they sell in China?

I looked at the sales in the US. 18-11K/yr untile the facelift, then sales dropped like a rock 6K-732/yr. That's a nine year run.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1-11-17%29.jpg

It does remind me of the Edsel. :)

But.... the most failed car in design? I'd go with the retro-classics of the mid-80s. Here's an AMC Hornet:

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http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2018...gslist-in.html

Nissan Cube. I don't care if it's practical, and that's coming from someone who's mantra is form follows function.

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Chrysler Airflow.

Cube actually won a Design Award of some sort GAAAAAA

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That's usually the result of chewing gum in the hair.

Because the design turned out to be way too expensive to produce at a price people would pay? Because nearly everyone at the time found it to be hideous? Because designing it as a pure commuter with only two seats killed any future it had in most markets as a mass-appeal car?

It was a design experiment that did one thing well and made compromises everywhere else... and flopped.

I love my car and you'll pry it from my cold, dead hands, but I like oddball unpopular cars. The Aztec was also great at what it did, but everyone thought it was so ugly and didn't fit into a sales category and it was a failure too.

You can love a car and admit it was a failure.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick_Rendezvous

Dragged down by it's Pontiac sibling. :(

That was the intention from the start. It was intended to be a real-world beta test of hybrid technology, and get some good "green" publicity. It did that perfectly.

False. Everyone who commented on mine thought it was either cute or futuristic - like a spaceship, according to my neighbors' kid :-)

Was never intended to be a mass market vehicle (see above). Beyond which, there are people who like the idea of having only two seats. Why carry around the excess weight of never-used seats, and the larger vehicle size they require?

I've lived with my Insight for 15 years now, and I can't think of anything that's a real compromise. (Other than the NiMH battery, but that was necessary given the state of lithium battery tech at the time.) From my point of view, it's most of those other cars that have the compromises, like more than the necessary number of seats...

A foreshadowing of the VW XL-1.

Fuel efficiency hardly takes a hit by adding 2-3 more seats in the rear. The seats themselves weigh next to nothing, and the suspension needs minor beefing up to accommodate the extra 500 lbs when compared to the overall weight of the car.

Hard for me to imagine not ever needing more than 2 seats considering I rarely use less than 3, but I suppose there are people who never carpool, travel with a friend, take a kid somewhere, etc. Even if a person never used more than 2 seats, others likely will when it comes time to sell the vehicle.

Heck, I complained about Toyota's decision to eliminate the 5th seat in the Prime. It was probably because the extra payload capacity would require all new safety certification testing, but I use the 5th seat a couple times per year on average.

What *is* that? It looks like a Ssangyong Odious mated with a Nissan Navara..

Feminist gum...

ABout car's look, since many don't get foreign cars well, I suggest to post photos:

This one it's quite uggly to me :

http://home.bt.com/images/renault-2c...0722161016.jpg

It's a fictional car, but it's incredible weird, and bring memories of laughs in childhood :

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She's a beaut.


https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...you-drive.html

That's a Ssangyong Actyon Sports, the pick-up version of the Actyon which is also not any beauty...


It may not be so good-looking, but its design is in fact quite smart. Hadn't it been for the road performance, it could evetually be considered better than a Beetle/Fusca in most of the circumstances.

workaround ideas to discuss among friends: What's so great about the Citroën 2CV compared to the Beetle?

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr a.k.a. Kamikaze: Fusca ou Citroën 2CV: qual projeto é de fato mais genial? - Português

The XL1 was produced in such limited numbers that they were all snapped up, even at its astronomical price. I think there was a difference of intention there between VW and Honda--Honda would have liked to sell more. It's why they keep bringing the Insight back, even if it's in name only with a different formula each time.

My vote for design failure: Any vehicle with DRL/turn signal housings above separate headlights (looking at you, pre-2019 Cherokee, Hyundai Kona, Nissan Juke). U-G-L-Y, you ain't got no alibi.

Can we carve out an exception for the 1959 Chevrolet?

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Citroen 2CV

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Fungible as the Beetle. Here's a rear-engined one:

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How do we make Google not be evil again?

They already censor/demonitize Youtube content that has nothing but facts presented, fire engineers who wanted nothing but to address a concern in a logical and reasonable way that Google brought to him in mandatory diversity training, and they provide such darn useful and convenient tools.

Get your tinfoil hat; my daughter is sleeping to rain sounds by Google Home as we speak.

I don't like the things above that Google foolishly did, but I also defend the right for a company to hire or fire anyone they want for any reason they want, or to allow or disallow content for any reason they want. If I don't like it, I am free to start a less evil business, or patronize other less evil businesses.

Well, it's a start :-) My life would be slightly improved if I could do a Google search without the first page or two being nothing but YouTube links.

Although a painful extra step, you could just enter the -youtube switch to exclude youtube results. Another option would be to use a different search engine. Bing.com has been accused of having too similar search results as Google before, but perhaps they are less likely to link to youtube.

freebeard is always using duckduckgo. No idea what those results look like since I like Google knowing everything I type (just trying to trigger disgust from freebeard) :P

The process has already started, with a Presidential Exectutive order.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13818

Eric Schmidt bolted for the door the next day. I can remember when he was installed over Page and Brin, their so-called 'adult supervision'.


jamesqf — His point was internal to Youtube, not the Google results.

The Youtube landing page changes slowly, while the submissions are through the roof. From 2015:
http://tubularinsights.com/hours-min...oaded-youtube/

My disadvantage was how I had Skoda Octava with VW 1.4 122 hp FSI Turbo engine. On the way it burned like a dragon at the beginning before the calibration of the meter it burned an average of 7l/100 km, and after the calibration of the meter it burned 8l/100 km. And she took oil without interruption. Calibration of the meter consisted in improving the distance of kilometers on the correct computer, because the factory error was about 14%. And then false average burning understated by the computer in the group of VW cars.

Here's one - inboard indicators that you can't see from the side.

Another - front indicators shoved next to the fog lights (Ford Kuga I'm looking at you).

Yet another - LED array taillights that are tiny on huge 4x4 but "make up for it" by being eyeball weldingly bright.

Those bloody rear indicators that phase in the direction of turn. They're actually a good idea - but cretinous Audi owners - they're not new. Chrysler cars & others had them in the 60s with incandescent bulbs and relays the size of your head. They're about as new as petroleum. Stop smugging about them.

LED array taillight and DRLs that cannot be fixed/repaired - and cost eye-watering amounts to replace. Oh look - I can buy LEDs for a light fitting that uses BA7S bulbs that haven't been around since Ringo Starr was talented - and a set cos me £2 - bit cheaper than your £400 for a new DRL, or £10 for LED BA15D/BA15S pairs - pretty cheap against £500 to replace a BMW rear cluster.

I could go on - but one thing that really bugs me is people whose headlights appear to have been aimed by Eddie the Eagle or that think that driving like Colin McCrae with one headlight out is a fantastic idea.. That should be an *instant* 9 points on the license.

I wonder what roads at night will look like in the future when all cars are driving themselves, and only marker lights are on to warn pedestrians, with no driving lights flooding the roads?

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Fiat Duna

I like the Cube! Mostly because, despite the name, there isn't a square corner to be found on it. It looks like a box, but it's made out of curves. For some reason, I get a kick out of that.


Not because it's an attractive design, though.

The worst design in terms of safety was the Pinto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9GGDOUDLhc

Any hit and it could get fire. Ford knew it, but prefered to keep silence.

And it can be even worse if youy ask what Pinto means in portuguese language.

I actually like it. BTW have you ever seen the 2-door one?
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Fiat Duno is a Fiat Uno? Because I used to drive Fiat Uno but it was European. On the road he burned 3.5l / 100 km and in the city from 5.5 l to 8 liters in winter.

@ cripple, in 33.5 years of my life, luckily, I have see just twice, one I was well far younger, it was a 4 door, laat year, in Rome I see a blu one with 2 door, I never see the wagon version or the blind van version.
in europe have just selled 15.000 vehicles, i know in south america was a success story.

@ airbiteses, the basis it's a fiat uno. for the time was selled it was certainly a good and clever car, but didn't meet the design for europe. and to be honest fiat uno was way better, with more trims and version, like the Turbo, or the turbo diesel, a 1.4 liter with more than 70 hp, amazing for that time, to see something similar you need to wait 4 or 5 year the golf gtd.
they are very rare but you can find electric compass windows, solid state dashboard, electric mirror, autatic ac (monozone).
another great car for that year was the Fiat Tipo 2000 16 valvole.

In the Europe of Fiat uno there were petrol engines: 0.9, 1.0, 1.1, 1.4 and 1.5 with power from 39 HP to 115 HP and diesel 1.3 and 1.7 and power from 50 to 70 HP if I'm not mistaken. There were equipment: manual air conditioning, semi-automatic ventilation and heating, electric windscreens, central locking, front halogens, leather seats, luggage rims, aluminum wheels, and anti-theft alarm system. And the Uno Turbo versions were reduced by 2 cm, sports front and rear bumpers and sill caps and there was also a plastic boot lid.

The downside of this Fiat Uno is rust which during the 2 years since leaving the living room ate the floor, the bottom door, thresholds .... Just like the Ford Focus, in 2-3 years the rust left.

This Fiat Uno new from Brazil is in Europe as Fiat Panda :) Only very badly sells.

fiat uno mk1 europe
gasoline
0.9
1.0
1.1
1.3
1.3 turbo

diesel
1.3
1.4 turbo 72 hp
1.7 60 hp

uno mk2
same displacement except for the 1.1, old was a 1116 imported from brazil, new it's a 1108 fire family.
1.3 in real a 1306 from brazil it's changed with the 1372 fire selled as a 1.4

the mk2 it's attested of a 0.29 cx but i think it's quite optimistic.. what do you think?

Uhnnn ???

According a fast research I did, Fiat Uno Mile 1.0 performance was :

For ethanol :

8,9 km/liter on city (or 11,23 liters to reach 100km)

10,7 km/liter on road (or 9,34 liters to reach 100km)


For Gasoline :

12,7 km/l on city (or 7,87 liters to reach 100km)
15,6 km/l on road (or 6,41 liters to reach 100km)


The best non hybrid it's Peugeot 208 active: 14,8km/l (city) and 15,8km/l (road) or 6,75 liter/100km (city) and 6,32 liter/100km (road).


https://abrilquatrorodas.files.wordp...rip=info&w=916

Citroen C3 origine was almost the same, 14,8km/l on city, but on road reach 16,6km per liter of gasoline.

https://img.olx.com.br/images/61/615830005190475.jpg