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redpoint5 02-13-2021 03:07 AM

What I'm up to
 
Interesting day

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KuO...ew?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e52...ew?usp=sharing

Stole a couple chainsaws from dad a couple weeks ago. I know what I'm doing this weekend.

Isaac Zachary 02-13-2021 03:15 AM

We had a similar day last fall. That, plus all the beetle killed pines around here, makes me wonder if wood gas would be a good idea for ecomodding.

RedDevil 02-13-2021 07:58 AM

Be careful!
As if that branch falling a minute after you were below it wasn't enough of a warning ;)

Isaac Zachary 02-13-2021 10:44 AM

On a completely non-vehicle related note, this kind of weather has me wanting to trade my phone in and get one that has an FM radio on it. I don't care if it's an old phone. When we had that storm here and all the trees started falling down it was after a terrible wind storm and then a heavy snow. The whole valley is fed by one data line that feeds everything including all internet, cable TV, land lines and cell phone lines that aren't off of satellite. As a result, that line was affected and the only way of knowing what was going on was to listen to the radio. But ironically, my only radio was my car's radio, and the authorities were telling people to stay out of their cars since there were so many getting crushed by falling trees.

freebeard 02-13-2021 12:24 PM

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What I'm up to
Interesting day
Shilling for Google? You'd be less dangerous with a chain saw in your hands. :)

freebeard 02-13-2021 02:30 PM

You're hitting some zombie threads at random.

Since you ask though, click where it says 'Enhanced by Google' in the upper left, type and press Enter.

Else if you wish to avoid the evil empire, use your preferred search engine and preface with INURL:Ecomodder.com or whatever.

Vman455 02-13-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard (Post 642439)
You're hitting some zombie threads at random.

Since you ask though, click where it says 'Enhanced by Google' in the upper left, type and press Enter.

Else if you wish to avoid the evil empire, use your preferred search engine and preface with INURL:Ecomodder.com or whatever.

He was a bot (the same username and links showed up on other forums today)...gone now.

Piotrsko 02-15-2021 09:29 AM

All cell phones have an Am/Fm radio in them, just for some reason they are turned off/blocked in most american cell provider networks. There are downloadable APPS or get an unlocked phone. Both of my Nokias have them ditto forall my old samsungs. There's also an APP for hazards or incoming bad weather that doesnt use cell reception.

JSH 02-15-2021 06:16 PM

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That doesn't look like fun. A bit north of you we spent the weekend XC skiing in the streets and enjoying pints at the local brewery.

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freebeard 02-15-2021 06:37 PM

....and a bit South, it's been gray and rainy all this time.

My brother's phone line has been 'busy' for three days. Maybe this is why?

freebeard 02-15-2021 11:17 PM

Could be worse. In Texas the windmills are frozen still and the solar panels are under inches of snow.

RedDevil 02-16-2021 04:12 AM

In the Nordic countries they have lots of windmills and lots of cold, and they never freeze solid. Maybe those Texas windmills are missing something essential, like frostproof bearings or internal heaters?

If the blades get covered with a layer of ice I understand why the mills got shut down. That's a rare and extreme condition though.

Over here we just ended one week of snow, the first in quite a while, down to minus 11 Celsius on our wall-mounted outside thermometer. Most of the solar panel arrays were completely covered, but some arrays were completely free of snow on an otherwise snow-covered roof. IIRC Tesla solar panels have a thaw program to melt off snow when needed, and apparently they are not alone.
The wind turbines were happily spinning in the mild cold breeze.

Piotrsko 02-16-2021 09:43 AM

Flinging ice and snow off blades is a pretty bad juju when the tips are capable of +100 mph plus potential imbalance issue. If you stop them because of storm winds you need to wait until they thaw.... blades in places that freeze often have anti ice strategies.

redpoint5 02-16-2021 12:40 PM

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I spent the 3-day weekend running a chainsaw and filling petrol cans, running extension cords from our generator to the neighbors, etc.

I cut the end off an extension cord and wired the generator directly into the main panel. Of course, I have the main breaker switched off. Being without grid power since Friday night has me realizing I'd like a 240v diesel generator so I can hook up both legs of the electrical panel and be fully powered up. As it is, nearly everything I'd want to run has power.

Our natural gas fireplace uses a thermocouple, so we never lost heat, and of course the gas water heater allows hot showers.

There are 2 roads to exit our neighborhood, and 1 has several oak trees across it (main street). Finding a route out on the remaining road was interesting, involving heading the opposite direction you want to go and meandering through neighborhoods.

I don't know why traffic is 3x more than normal. I doubt people in their lexus are headed to borrow a chainsaw, so where they're going I have no clue, and I don't think they know either based on how slow and confused people have been driving.

I've got 2 bars of cell strength, which is enough to give me internet service for the moment.

Our view Saturday morning; a little more open than before.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361

https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361

Then the sun came out
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361

3.5 kW continuous generator prior to wiring to the panel.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361

Near my parents (the barn is barely visible in the background). Miles of down lines and half the poles are snapped. My grandmother thought she'd have power restored "at 4:15pm" because she had called PGE and the automated message said that. There weren't even crews working on it Sunday.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361

Dad made a rain collector so they can flush the toilets.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361


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That doesn't look like fun. A bit north of you we spent the weekend XC skiing in the streets and enjoying pints at the local brewery.

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That looks fantastic.

My Friday night wasn't too shabby. Heated some sake up on the stove.
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613497216

freebeard 02-16-2021 01:10 PM

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Maybe those Texas windmills are missing something essential, like frostproof bearings or internal heaters?
Whatever it was stopped the windmills, covered the solar panels and stopped the pumps in the natural gas pipeline, a week or two after the current Resident in the White House invited the CCP into the power grid.

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https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613496361

Nicely framed. Life is all a matter of perspective.

RedDevil 02-16-2021 01:44 PM

And the CCP immediately started throwing ice and snow and breaking poles etc.
Damn commies!
It sure is good to have someone to blame, hm?

Take care over there.

redneck 02-16-2021 03:17 PM

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Redpoint5

I'd like a 240v diesel generator so I can hook up both legs of the electrical panel and be fully powered up. As it is, nearly everything I'd want to run has power.

Our natural gas fireplace uses a thermocouple, so we never lost heat, and of course the gas water heater allows hot showers.
My 2 cents.

I would get a Generator that runs off of natural gas. Just like you never lost heat you wouldn’t lose power either because natural gas rarely stops flowing through the pipes unless there’s an earthquake. Even then you could change the orifice and run on LPG. Natural gas engines run super clean, require very little maintenance and usually start easily.


Oh and just so you know, they make a multi fuel carburetor (NG, LPG, Gasoline) for your generator just look on Amazon you’ll find it. They’re very inexpensive. ;)



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redpoint5 02-16-2021 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by redneck (Post 642534)
My 2 cents.

I would get a Generator that runs off of natural gas. Just like you never lost heat you wouldn’t lose power either because natural gas rarely stops flowing through the pipes unless there’s an earthquake. Even then you could change the orifice and run on LPG. Natural gas engines run super clean, require very little maintenance and usually start easily.


Oh and just so you know, they make a multi fuel carburetor (NG, LPG, Gasoline) for your generator just look on Amazon you’ll find it. They’re very inexpensive. ;)



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Good points. I was looking on Amazon for a NG adapter, but I'm not sure which would fit this 7HP 4k peak watt Sportsman generator.

Don't know why it didn't come with the carb that allows NG too. Would be super easy for me to hook up to one of the BBQ lines.

... the ones I'm finding on Amazon show Friday delivery. We should have power before then, but if we didn't, it sure would be nice to have the adapter. I plan to get one anyhow so I'm prepared for the next time.

Maybe this one? Free return if it's not right I suppose, and the price is right.

https://www.amazon.com/Saihisday-Car...511187&sr=8-12

JSH 02-16-2021 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redneck (Post 642534)
My 2 cents.

I would get a Generator that runs off of natural gas. Just like you never lost heat you wouldn’t lose power either because natural gas rarely stops flowing through the pipes unless there’s an earthquake. Even then you could change the orifice and run on LPG. Natural gas engines run super clean, require very little maintenance and usually start easily.

While I'm a fan of NG generators we are in the Cascadia subduction zone that spits out 9 - 10 magnitude earthquakes on occasion. The last Cascadia earthquake was in 1700.

If I was redpoint I would want a LPG back-up or a way to store some of the his solar energy from that new system he installed.

freebeard 02-16-2021 05:18 PM

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It sure is good to have someone to blame, hm?

I know.... correlation does not imply causation. But I followed Robert Anton Wilson.

Robert Anton Wilson: Consciousness, Conspiracy & Coincidence -- Thinking Allowed w/ Jeffrey Mishlove

Is you mind inside or outside of Universe?

Simulation Theory suggests the must likely outcome is the most entertaining one. So I expect that after the 2nd failed impeachment, Trump won't run again. That would blow some minds, but he's proved in the last four years that the idiot box is more powerful than the Presidency.

JSH: Best ROI would be a gravity battery in a dry well.

redpoint5 02-16-2021 06:07 PM

Oh, I forgot to mention we've got a lot of tractors, so a PTO generator might be the best option. We store up to 550 gallons of diesel (just had that quantity delivered 2 weeks ago), so that's plenty of emergency power.

Not sure how the throttle gets adjusted based on load. Perhaps a more modern tractor can adjust throttle based on load to keep the PTO speed constant?

Gasoline Fumes 02-16-2021 07:06 PM

On a tractor, the throttle control usually selects the engine speed and a governor adjusts the actual engine throttle to maintain that RPM. PTO speed is pretty standardized. I think it's usually 540 or 1000 RPM?

redpoint5 02-16-2021 08:16 PM

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On a tractor, the throttle control usually selects the engine speed and a governor adjusts the actual engine throttle to maintain that RPM. PTO speed is pretty standardized. I think it's usually 540 or 1000 RPM?

We've got a 40+ year old Mitsubishi MT372 - 12 HP PTO 540 RPM
https://946e583539399c301dc7-100ffa5...635/343178.jpg

a 40 year old John Deere 750 - 18 HP PTO 540 RPM

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2fZs4gFk9Ns/maxresdefault.jpg

and a 50+ year old Allis Chalmers One Ninety - 77 HP PTO 540/1000 RPM
https://bigiron.blob.core.windows.ne...cloader-59.jpg

... almost forgot this old Ford 4400. It hasn't moved in a while. - 45 HP PTO 540 RPM
https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...0&d=1613603130

redpoint5 02-18-2021 01:42 PM

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We've got power AND internet again! 6 days of outage.

It will probably be a week or two for my parents to get power restored. I spent the morning clearing their driveway and cutting debris into movable pieces. Still several days worth of clearing debris from the yards left.

Here's drone footage from Saturday morning.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jVd...ew?usp=sharing

https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613676945

https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1613676945

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freebeard 02-18-2021 02:41 PM

I finally got through to my brother['s wife]. They've been without power for six days running, too.

redneck 02-18-2021 04:14 PM

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Don’t worry.

They have it under control... 😉

https://i.postimg.cc/YCc6ysLY/8-B8-C...C530-DB099.jpg



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freebeard 02-18-2021 05:08 PM

It's hard to keep up, isn't it?

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FARK.com: (11186182) You know that photo of a helicopter ...
https://www.fark.com/comments/111861...eah-about-that
Dr Jack Badofsky: I'm not worried about it being from not-Texas, but kinda thought these windmills would have some better ice protection that having to have a 'copter spray stuff on them. Can't they do something similar to airplanes where they put the bladders on the wingtips? Keep reading. Wind turbines do have built-in de-icing mechanisms and the helicopter was a test in case they failed.
The lead story on Suspicious 0bservers was about Oregon, youtu.be/AnOE_X7PVOw?t=43
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we know the situation in texas is getting the headlines but this might be
the worst that parts of oregon have fared as well
power and water problems 208 miles of lines down
people using co-producing heaters inside their homes
if only someone had predicted the winters would turn on us like this
Meanwhile, things are looking up on Mars.

Isaac Zachary 02-18-2021 05:19 PM

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Don’t worry.

They have it under control... 😉

https://i.postimg.cc/YCc6ysLY/8-B8-C...C530-DB099.jpg



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The question remaining is whether or not the ice storm was made from fossil fuels. :D

freebeard 02-18-2021 05:23 PM

We had a thread about that, or at least the lack of consensus. It got locked.

We're all just a leaf on the wind.

Scott Adams takes a victory lap. At one minute he passes a late model Airstream with a nice tow vehicle.

Piotrsko 02-19-2021 09:52 AM

Those are Norwegian turbines. The texan ones are not set up with de-ice since they never should go below freezing according to the owners of said turbines. AFAIK, there's more conventional generation offline than what all the turbines produce.

RedDevil 02-19-2021 01:38 PM

The main cause for the Texan power outages was problems with the distribution of natural gas, which reduced the gas plant output by up to 26 GW.
That dwarfs the 4GW loss (max) from iced wind turbines. But hey, they got the blame.

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02...s-power-storm/

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By some estimates, nearly half of the state’s natural gas production has screeched to a halt due to the extremely low temperatures, while freezing components at natural gas-fired power plants have forced some operators to shut down.

freebeard 02-19-2021 02:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENyatRcxzsM
This is just a preview of the Biden/Harris energy policy. From last August (seems so long ago):

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On issues of energy supply, Biden has been clear. For example, moderators at the Democratic Party debates asked him about his position on hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, the means by which American natural gas producers have helped to free us from many of the vagaries of international energy markets. He boldly replied, “No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period. Ends!” Later, in the same debate, he added, “No new fracking.”
thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/512601-a-biden-harris-presidency-would-largely-end-oil-and-gas-production

Well, they promised a dark winter. Promises made, promises kept. :)

RedDevil 02-19-2021 03:14 PM

??? you missed the memo. It wasn't renewables that caused the blackouts.

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/envi...change-rcna289
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In Texas, the center of a wave of outages across the Southern and central parts of the U.S., the primary electric grid suffered a one-two punch wrought by the deep freeze: off-the-charts demand for power as Texans tried to heat their homes and power plants that simply failed to produce power when people needed it the most.

Wind and solar, still fairly small slices of the state's energy mix, played only a minimal role in the sudden power shortage, utility officials said — contrary to a wave of conservative critics who tried to falsely pin blame for the situation on renewable energy.
At least their pockets will be warm, they are well lined.

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The picture of what went wrong in Texas is incomplete. But while some wind generators did go offline as turbines iced over, the state's largest grid, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, said the shortage was driven by a failure not of renewable sources but of traditional "thermal" sources: coal, nuclear and especially natural gas.
Nuclear too. Didn't expect that at all.

So nothing to do with Biden and Harris. They are still cleaning up the White house anyway, they had no hand in this crisis for good or for bad.

Even under the Trump administration over 75% of all new power generation plants were solar or wind, just because they are now more cost efficient. Economics beat everything. It is the same in Europe.
So why stimulate renewables then, if it happens anyway? Because we just need more power fast.
Overcapacity is not a waste, it is an insurance, like an army in peacetime is.

redpoint5 02-19-2021 05:16 PM

It will be interesting to see which generation sources were providing the most power during this emergency.

According to Alex Epstein, funds allocated in intermittent power sources reduced investment in more reliable sources and maintenance/improvements of infrastructure to increase reliability.

freebeard 02-19-2021 05:30 PM

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??? you missed the memo. It wasn't renewables that caused the blackouts.
I'm missing more than your memo. I don't see a problem with the energy sourcing, or the weather. It's a command and control issue.

I can't find the source about the electrical transformers with the unknown additional circuits, but if I see it again I'll 'circle back'.

redneck 02-19-2021 06:51 PM

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RedDevil;

??? you missed the memo. It wasn't renewables that caused the blackouts.

Maybe...



https://www.zerohedge.com/technology...ging-tesla-900

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In Texas, wind power generation overtook coal-fired generation in 2020 for the first time ever, with wind power now accounting for 25 percent of the Texas electricity generation. Natural gas-fired power generation is the leading source of electricity in Texas, with more than 45 percent share.

While oil-and-gas rich Texas is the leading U.S. state for wind power installations, the frozen turbines in the Arctic weather have strained the grid so much that rolling outages in Texas continue for a second consecutive day.
And because this is a car forum...

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OilPrice.com ran the numbers of how much it would cost to charge a Tesla in Texas earlier this week. While a regular charge costs around $18 using a Level 1 or Level 2 charger at home, estimates showed that the surge in power prices would have cost $900.

“The wind-dependent Texas grid is experiencing rolling blackouts, prices the equivalent of $900 per Tesla charge, and an expected supply shortage of 10 GW--the amount of electricity needed to power 5 million homes,”




Outages Morph Into Outrage As Texans Slapped With "Mind-Blowing" Power Bills

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ou...ng-power-bills


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The rolling blackouts that plunged up to 15 million Texans into darkness amid a historic cold snap are diminishing by the end of the week. About 188k customers were without power in the state on Friday morning. Days after power prices jumped from $50 per Megawatt to more than $9,000, the horror stories pour in for those who had power this week during grid chaos as they are mind-boggled how their energy bills skyrocketed.
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Ty Williams told WFAA that his average electric bill is around $660 per month. He said it now stands at $17,000.

Williams wondered: "How in the world can anyone pay that? I mean you go from a couple of hundred dollars a month... there's absolutely no way...it makes no sense."

Ahh yes, it’s a Green $$$ Deal alright...

For somebody... 😉


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freebeard 02-19-2021 08:29 PM

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Ty Williams told WFAA that his average electric bill is around $660 per month
Did someone say Big AC?

RedDevil 02-20-2021 05:27 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
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Zero Hedge (or ZeroHedge)[b] is a far-right[12] libertarian[17] financial blog,[13][14] presenting staff-written articles and aggregating news and opinions from external sources.[18] Zero Hedge, per its motto,[a] is bearish in its investment outlook and analysis, often deriving from its adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles.[22] While often labeled as a financial permabear,[23][24] Zero Hedge has also been described as a source of "cutting-edge news, rumors and gossip in the financial industry".[25]

Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[27] associated with the US radical right,[14][28] the alt-right,[29][30][31] and a pro-Russian bias.[1][32][33][34] Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of § Site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban[35][36] and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.[14][37]

Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden"; the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.[26]
Sounds legit.

redneck 02-20-2021 06:10 AM

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If you read the links, you would have seen highlighted text. The highlighted text takes you to the sources used in said articles. Maybe, just maybe you’ll find a more trusted source to your liking.

It’s really not that hard... :rolleyes:

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IamIan 02-20-2021 06:23 AM

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Ahh yes, it’s a Green $$$ Deal alright...

For somebody... 😉

Good or bad .. It's just how cold blooded capitalism functions .. supply and demand.

The Ferengi would be proud ;)


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