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MetroMPG 01-05-2008 04:14 PM

Win an EM Sticker: guess Dad's mileage (Toyota Corolla automatic). Ends Jan 13.
 
The contest, in a nutshell:
My dad likes to tell people about his car's excellent fuel economy specs, but he hasn't actualy ever calculated his own stats.

I've put a ScanGauge in his car (with his knowledge) to see just how well (or poorly) he's doing.

The person whose guess is closest to his actual fuel economy after 1 week of driving wins an Ecomodder window cling.

The story of the car:
My dad is leasing an '06 Toyota Corolla CE sedan, automatic. 1.8L of VVTi fury, built down the highway in Cambridge, Ontario.

It's the same car I used in the wheel skirt test.

http://www.pricealease.com/image.php?id=881

He was driving a '97 Camry before this.

For some reason, he was just one of many consumers who flooded Toyota dealerships last summer to boost sales of the Corolla by a whopping 39% over the previous June's numbers. Go figure. Must have forgot to put on his tinfoil hat that day...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...?query=corolla

At first I wondered why he was "downsizing" from the Camry, and then realized he's been steadily "upsizing" through the years by Toyota's creeping model dimensions. In fact, this Corolla is virtually identical in size to the Camrys and an Accord he used to own in the late 80's:

Car ... Wheelbase ... Width ... Length ... Weight

87 Camry ... 102.3 in ... 67.4 in ... 182 in ... 2690 lbs
89 Accord ... 102.4 in ... 67.4 in ... 179.7 in ... 2676 lbs
06 Corolla ... 102.4 in ... 66.9 in ... 178.3 in ... 2502 lbs

FE specs for the Corolla automatic:
EPA city/hwy ... 30 / 38 mpg (US) (old figs) .... 26 / 35 (new figs)

NRCan city/hwy ... 7.8 L/100 km (30 mpg US) / 5.6 L/100 km (42 mpg US)

What's it capable of?
I haven't spent much time in this car at all, but I took it out for a boot this afternoon ... in pretty bad conditions:
  • cold soak start
  • short distance 5.6 km (3.5 mi.)
  • wet & snow-covered roads
  • 0 C / 30 F ambient
And saw 38 mpg (US) on the SG, giving it a decent effort (engine-off opportunity coasting; some P&G; driving without brakes, etc). The coolant didn't even reach full operating temp on the return leg.

This was in sub/urban driving, which is the type of driving my dad will likely be up to for the next 7 days.

What kind of driver his he?
I'd say "fairly typical." Rabbitty accelleration, late braking, inhabits the upper 50% of the speed range in a flow of traffic. Isn't into trip chaining.

I don't think we've ever had a conversation with the word "hypermiling" in it. :D

Contest ends sometime next Sunday (Jan 13/08).


So post up your guesses!

Feel free to revise them if new information arises (e.g. if I find out before next weekend that he's done any highway trips, I'll report back before wrapping things up.

MetroMPG 01-05-2008 04:16 PM

PS - I was thinking of sticking the SG in his car without his knowledge, but wondered a bit about the ethics of having a contest based on that ...

jazzie604 01-05-2008 06:05 PM

27mpg

SVOboy 01-05-2008 09:28 PM

34.fizzle. :)

MetroMPG 01-07-2008 10:54 AM

Food for thought:

We're in a January thaw for most of this week. Temps for daily highs are forecast to be above freezing for the entire week, with the average daily high somewhere around 6C / 43F.

That'll raise dad's numbers above where they would normally be for winter driving.

ALSO...

FYI: from fueleconomy.gov's Shared MPG Estimates for Toyota Corolla ....

2008 (automatic) - avg mpg / range [# vehicles] = 31.1 / 27 - 34 [7]
2007 (automatic) - avg mpg / range [# vehicles] = 31.8 / 23 - 41 [18]
2006 (automatic) - avg mpg / range [# vehicles] = 33.2 / 23 - 44 [32]
2005 (automatic) - avg mpg / range [# vehicles] = 31.1 / 24 - 41 [32]

MetroMPG 01-07-2008 10:54 AM

Any more takers?

Daox 01-07-2008 11:05 AM

I'll say 32.

roflwaffle 01-07-2008 11:48 AM

29. That's about what my grandpa gets.

MetroMPG 01-07-2008 12:54 PM

Does he live in the freezing north, or the sunny south? ;)

roflwaffle 01-07-2008 01:03 PM

Think lows in the forties F. ;)
That being said he had a 25mpg tank recently so who knows. It really depends on how long yer dad's trips are and how heavy traffic in the area is.

MetroMPG 01-07-2008 01:04 PM

Full disclosure: short trips (<8 km / 5 mi), light to moderate traffic.

metroschultz 01-07-2008 01:13 PM

my guess is 32.6 mpg, just wild. thanx fer sharin'. S.

bestmapman 01-07-2008 01:54 PM

I think the "ole man" has more on the ball then you give him credit for. My guess 38 MPG.

Lazarus 01-07-2008 03:21 PM

26 mpg :turtle:

Gone4 01-07-2008 08:46 PM

I'll take 31 MPG, just for a shot at that sticker :D

DifferentPointofView 01-07-2008 09:17 PM

we're talking combined right? I"m guessing somewhere around 31.76324 for a random guess. I think I'm gonna make my own ecomodder bumper sticker in one of my Cad/Drafting/industrial tech/printing class thingy's. To advertise, and let people behind me know what in the world I'm driving slow for.

MetroMPG 01-07-2008 09:19 PM

It's going to be all sub/urban, I believe. He normally does a fair amount of highway, but not this week. If he does hit the open road, I'll let you all know so you can tweak your numbers at the last minute, if you want to.

XFi 01-08-2008 06:30 AM

28mpg
 
I'll assume that he isn't changing his driving habits due to the scangauge. Driving habits, cooler weather and short trips will combine for a 28mpg average. Plus 28 hasn't been taken yet. :rolleyes:

UfoTofU 01-08-2008 06:53 AM

I am guessing 28.5 if he continues with his driving habits.

I am guessing 35.2 if he takes notice of the scanguage and makes it a "game" to get higher numbers.

MetroMPG 01-08-2008 09:51 AM

I can't say for sure if he will change his driving habits, but I seriously doubt it. (That concern was the original attraction to the idea of NOT telling him the SG was in the car, which I vetoed.)

That said, the ScanGauge isn't in view of the driver. It's stuffed into a closed change/sunglasses cubby.

MetroMPG 01-12-2008 11:55 AM

Last day for guesses. Get 'em in, folks!

igo 01-12-2008 04:17 PM

I guess I will guess low. 25.5 mpg (just to separate it from the other votes)

Who 01-12-2008 04:44 PM

25

metroschultz 01-12-2008 04:58 PM

I'm stickin with 32.6. I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought and I gotta headache. So I realize you are all better at math than I. So I'm stickin.
S.

UfoTofU 01-12-2008 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 4549)
I can't say for sure if he will change his driving habits, but I seriously doubt it. (That concern was the original attraction to the idea of NOT telling him the SG was in the car, which I vetoed.)

That said, the ScanGauge isn't in view of the driver. It's stuffed into a closed change/sunglasses cubby.



Ohhh, OK. I thought that it was in his line of sight.

I will stick with my 28.5 mpg guess then.

MetroMPG 01-12-2008 10:00 PM

OK - I'll post results & announce the big winner tomorrow.

Frank Lee 01-12-2008 10:29 PM

29.5 u.s.

Silveredwings 01-12-2008 10:34 PM

33

Lazarus 01-13-2008 09:43 AM

The suspense is killing me.

MetroMPG 01-13-2008 09:46 AM

To summarize, the guesstimates were:

38.0 - bestmapman
34.0 - SVOboy
33.0 - Silveredwings
32.6 - metroschultz
32.0 - Daox
31.76324 - DifferentPointofView
31.0 - GenKreton
29.5 - Frank Lee
29.0 - roflwaffle
28.5 - UfoTofU
28.0 - XFi
27.0 - jazzie604
26.0 - Lazarus
25.5 - igo
25.0 - Who

And the envelope please...

Dad's actual mileage in 61.7 miles (99.3 km) of sub/urban driving was:

22.4 mpg (US) / 10.5 L/100 km / 26.9 mpg (Imperial)

And for being the biggest pessimist, Who wins the Ecomodder window cling!

[Insert Abbot & Costello routine here.]

Who: send a PM to Ben with your mailing address, and I'm sure he'll stick one in an envelope when he takes a break from reading 60 pages of Japanese today.

Silveredwings 01-13-2008 09:48 AM

Nice. :thumbup:

metroschultz 01-13-2008 09:57 AM

GO WHO, yay.
Man i kept looking at my wifes and thinkin noone else drives like that. So much fer thinkin.S.

MetroMPG 01-13-2008 09:59 AM

Somewhere an oil baron just smiled a little smile.

metroschultz 01-13-2008 10:01 AM

Yeah but was that wife #6 or #72?

Gone4 01-13-2008 10:06 AM

That is some incredibly sad gas mileage for a Corolla... There must've been tons of traffic or something.

MetroMPG 01-13-2008 10:10 AM

Nope - this is a classic misadjusted nut behind the wheel situation.

I knew his driving habits weren't FE friendly, but I have to admit even I was surprised at how low it turned out.

Silveredwings 01-13-2008 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 5202)
Somewhere an oil baron just smiled a little smile.

Oh, you think Cheney reads this site?

XFi 01-13-2008 10:18 AM

Ouch!

Frank Lee 01-13-2008 02:45 PM

WOW! :eek:

I can get 22 in a pickup!

deadman1474 01-13-2008 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Lee (Post 5243)
WOW! :eek:

I can get 22 in a pickup!

Not in mine


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