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Old 12-06-2017, 02:14 PM   #81 (permalink)
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Not when you think about it, though. The cost of that engineering could be spread over millions of vehicles sold each year, where the more expensive exotics have to recoup their engineering costs from a few percent of the sales volume.
Certainly from that standpoint, you're right. What I'm getting at, though, is that we still had relatively crude expectations from compacts and economy cars at the time. Honda could certainly have dulled the mechanicals hidden far from John Q. Public's eyes, and still have had a winner (a formula they followed with the 7th gen Civics). But at that time, they didn't, and we're all just a little bit better for it.

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Old 12-07-2017, 02:14 PM   #82 (permalink)
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But at that time, they didn't, and we're all just a little bit better for it.
And so is Honda :-) Things like that tend to encourage repeat customers, while my decades ago experience with a Chevy Vega means I'm unlikely to ever buy another GM car.
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Old 12-07-2017, 08:48 PM   #83 (permalink)
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And so is Honda :-) Things like that tend to encourage repeat customers, while my decades ago experience with a Chevy Vega means I'm unlikely to ever buy another GM car.
Yup. Honda went through three generations of meh Civics and still sold tons of them. Luckily it looks like they came to play once again with the new one.

Toyota almost lost me when my Mom's brand new Sienna minivan turned out to be an epic failure. So many problems - she kept it about a year and a half before giving up. Then I inherited my wife's Echo and it was so good to me, I'd take a Toyota again in a heartbeat.
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I think so. I only remember renting three times and once they gave me a Mercedes.

There were a couple of times that I had tire damage on rentals in the United States and it was included in the rental, but a tire blew on that Mercedes, I put on the spare, and after I left the Army and returned to Arizona, Sixt started sending me bills for hundreds of euros.

Is anyone going to argue that I should have paid that?
It should've been supposed to be all included in the rental.
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I think so. I only remember renting three times and once they gave me a Mercedes.

There were a couple of times that I had tire damage on rentals in the United States and it was included in the rental, but a tire blew on that Mercedes, I put on the spare, and after I left the Army and returned to Arizona, Sixt started sending me bills for hundreds of euros.

Is anyone going to argue that I should have paid that?
If it was in Germany, it's par for the course. TÜV wheel regulations are super strict there, a price you (literally) pay for having de-restricted Autobahn. As far as I know, of that wheel got damaged in any way, it cannot be repaired, and must be replaced with a TÜV approved wheel.

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