Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > General Efficiency Discussion
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 12-06-2017, 01:14 PM   #81 (permalink)
Ol' Skooler
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tyler, TX
Posts: 972

Beater Echo - '00 Toyota Echo
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.67 mpg (US)

Hondizzle - '97 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 48.06 mpg (US)
Thanks: 47
Thanked 131 Times in 109 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesqf View Post
Not when you think about it, though. The cost of that engineering could be spread over millions of vehicles sold each year, where the more expensive exotics have to recoup their engineering costs from a few percent of the sales volume.
Certainly from that standpoint, you're right. What I'm getting at, though, is that we still had relatively crude expectations from compacts and economy cars at the time. Honda could certainly have dulled the mechanicals hidden far from John Q. Public's eyes, and still have had a winner (a formula they followed with the 7th gen Civics). But at that time, they didn't, and we're all just a little bit better for it.

__________________



'97 Honda Civic DX Coupe 5MT
'00 Echo - dead 2/17
'14 Chrysler Town + Country - the better half's car
'67 Mustang Convertible - gone 1/17
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 12-07-2017, 01:14 PM   #82 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,021
Thanks: 216
Thanked 748 Times in 546 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcp123 View Post
But at that time, they didn't, and we're all just a little bit better for it.
And so is Honda :-) Things like that tend to encourage repeat customers, while my decades ago experience with a Chevy Vega means I'm unlikely to ever buy another GM car.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-07-2017, 07:48 PM   #83 (permalink)
Ol' Skooler
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tyler, TX
Posts: 972

Beater Echo - '00 Toyota Echo
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.67 mpg (US)

Hondizzle - '97 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 48.06 mpg (US)
Thanks: 47
Thanked 131 Times in 109 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesqf View Post
And so is Honda :-) Things like that tend to encourage repeat customers, while my decades ago experience with a Chevy Vega means I'm unlikely to ever buy another GM car.
Yup. Honda went through three generations of meh Civics and still sold tons of them. Luckily it looks like they came to play once again with the new one.

Toyota almost lost me when my Mom's brand new Sienna minivan turned out to be an epic failure. So many problems - she kept it about a year and a half before giving up. Then I inherited my wife's Echo and it was so good to me, I'd take a Toyota again in a heartbeat.
__________________



'97 Honda Civic DX Coupe 5MT
'00 Echo - dead 2/17
'14 Chrysler Town + Country - the better half's car
'67 Mustang Convertible - gone 1/17
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2017, 11:48 AM   #84 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 6,445
Thanks: 0
Thanked 629 Times in 559 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist View Post
I think so. I only remember renting three times and once they gave me a Mercedes.

There were a couple of times that I had tire damage on rentals in the United States and it was included in the rental, but a tire blew on that Mercedes, I put on the spare, and after I left the Army and returned to Arizona, Sixt started sending me bills for hundreds of euros.

Is anyone going to argue that I should have paid that?
It should've been supposed to be all included in the rental.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2017, 06:16 PM   #85 (permalink)
Ol' Skooler
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Tyler, TX
Posts: 972

Beater Echo - '00 Toyota Echo
Team Toyota
90 day: 42.67 mpg (US)

Hondizzle - '97 Honda Civic DX
Team Honda
90 day: 48.06 mpg (US)
Thanks: 47
Thanked 131 Times in 109 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist View Post
I think so. I only remember renting three times and once they gave me a Mercedes.

There were a couple of times that I had tire damage on rentals in the United States and it was included in the rental, but a tire blew on that Mercedes, I put on the spare, and after I left the Army and returned to Arizona, Sixt started sending me bills for hundreds of euros.

Is anyone going to argue that I should have paid that?
If it was in Germany, it's par for the course. TÜV wheel regulations are super strict there, a price you (literally) pay for having de-restricted Autobahn. As far as I know, of that wheel got damaged in any way, it cannot be repaired, and must be replaced with a TÜV approved wheel.
__________________



'97 Honda Civic DX Coupe 5MT
'00 Echo - dead 2/17
'14 Chrysler Town + Country - the better half's car
'67 Mustang Convertible - gone 1/17
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2017, 01:11 PM   #86 (permalink)
Duck duck duck
 
RedDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Posts: 2,452

Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance
Team Honda
90 day: 58.19 mpg (US)

It - '09 Hyundai I10 Active Cool
Team Hyundai
90 day: 30.71 mpg (US)
Thanks: 887
Thanked 1,010 Times in 657 Posts
We can add another one to the list:
1st gen Honda Insight:


2nd gen Honda Insight:


3rd gen Honda Insight:


Makes me fear what the 4th gen will be like?
The 10th gen will likely have a swimming pool and a heli platform.
The 15th gen will have a population and armed forces.
__________________
2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut.
lifetime FE over 0.12 Gm or 0.08 MM.

  Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2017, 01:15 PM   #87 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Ecky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Vermont
Posts: 2,519

Gaptooth - '00 Honda Insight
Team Honda
Gen-1 Insights
90 day: 64.5 mpg (US)

Such Fit - '07 Honda Fit Sport
90 day: 41.27 mpg (US)

Velomobile - '13 Sun Seeker EZ-TAD SX
Last 3: 2142.86 mpg (US)
Thanks: 849
Thanked 960 Times in 612 Posts
For the most part, they seem to be 3 unrelated cars sharing a name - 2 door aluminum no-holds-barred proof of concept , 4 door steel "for the masses" attempt at wide appeal, low cost and profitability, upscale hybrid sedan "positioned above the Civic".

Maybe Honda is trying to catch the same group of buyers, who are now in different period of their lives and have different needs?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2017, 02:36 PM   #88 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 5,021
Thanks: 216
Thanked 748 Times in 546 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecky View Post
Maybe Honda is trying to catch the same group of buyers, who are now in different period of their lives and have different needs?
Haven't done a survey of 1st-gen buyers, then. I think most were (like me) technically-minded types without kids &c, but plenty of disposable income. As we were then, so we are now.

Of course I'm not really in the market for a new Insight. The old one still goes, and will be even better once I fix that $@#! transmission input shaft bearing!
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2017, 02:38 PM   #89 (permalink)
Ecomuggler
 
Xist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 6,406

Chorizo - '00 Honda Civic HX, baby! :D
90 day: 34.82 mpg (US)

Mid-Life Crisis Fighter - '99 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 37.34 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,703
Thanked 1,149 Times in 859 Posts
They expect demand for a car smaller than the Accord, but larger than the Civic?
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2017, 11:07 PM   #90 (permalink)
It's all about Diesel
 
cRiPpLe_rOoStEr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Porto Alegre, Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil
Posts: 6,445
Thanks: 0
Thanked 629 Times in 559 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecky View Post
For the most part, they seem to be 3 unrelated cars sharing a name - 2 door aluminum no-holds-barred proof of concept , 4 door steel "for the masses" attempt at wide appeal, low cost and profitability, upscale hybrid sedan "positioned above the Civic".
Even though the Insight nameplate being used in models targeted to noticeably different users might not be so much of an issue, just like Toyota does with the Prius and its derivatives Prius c and Prius v, positioning the Insight above the Civic doesn't seem to make so much sense.


Quote:
Maybe Honda is trying to catch the same group of buyers, who are now in different period of their lives and have different needs?
It doesn't seem to be so out of question.

  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com