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Nerys · 10-05-2009, 01:14 AM

5. There is not a single battery technology in the market that does not actually use more energy to make than they save. This includes the high expensive and exotic processes to make the various lithium tech batteries then recycle them. They cost more to recycle than produce when you follow them to the end of their life, right now most go into landfills (In china who also manufactures all most all the hybrid vehicle batteries). Battery tech is still the limiter on a viable long term plug-in based auto technology, as much as I'd love to have one for my commute.

This is poppy cock.

An E95 nimh battery costs $4500 FULL RETAIL. its good for 250,000 miles to 80% so designed RIGHT in the right car should last the average person AT LEAST 350,000 miles OR MORE or 25-30 years minimum before you have to replace it.

THis data is coroberated by testing on RAV4EV E95 packs with over 150,000 miles on the battery (ZERO degradation in 10 years and 150,000 miles so far)

There is no way in HELL this is not more back economically than was put into it.

Just no way in hell.

Consider the average today car is kept for 9 years. that means you would go through roughly 3-4 REGULAR CARS with all there hardware engines oils fluids and parts in the place of a SINGLE E95 powered aluminum and plastic car.

Where ever you got your data its totally fubar'd

On the EV side.

30 years time

1 Motor
1 Controller
1 Battery

The average Gasoline car

30 Years time

3 Engines
3 Transmissions
3 Fuel Systems
3 Exhaust Systems
3 Alternators
3 PS Pumps
3 of everything else in the engine
3 Emissions systems
60 Oil Changes
3 Radiators and all its fluids over 30 years

Plus misc other fluids over 30 years.

PLUS 3 WHOLE CARS and any drivetrain parts not in the EV they might need over 9 years each.

are you SERIOUSLY TELLING ME that ALL OF THAT is less "energy spent" than ONE SINGLE BATTERY PACK?

thats a joke right?

a SINGLE BATTERY PACK takes more energy than ALL OF THAT ?

thats not even counting the roughly 16,500 GALLONS OF GASOLINE you will burn in that time.

Your joking right?

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