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Old 10-30-2009, 11:46 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by TES111 View Post
I hear a lot about thermodynamics and the amount of energy it takes to produce the HHO. I know nothing about this other than what I have read here. It simply seems that everyone has forgotten how to ask the right questions and then only answer them with factual information.

These next questions are not argumentative and is not intended to spark a debate. I only wish to know with answers and not with a known scammers you tube video or web page. (PROOF)

Has anyone considered how much energy it takes to first pump oil out of the ground (not find new oil and pump it) ,get it to a tanker, have the tanker get it here, have it moved to the refinery, have it refined, have it transported to the pump and then have power to the pump to get it in the car?
(fuel costs in burn for transportation only)

## Tankers form the middle east burn the crude oil to run, Middle eastern crude oil or "Light Sweet Crude" looks like dark diesel.

How much energy does it take to make 1 gallon of gas?

## a lot of the energy comes from the actual process to refine the fuel, its mostly heat and pressure.

What is the amount of energy that can be released from that gallon of gas?
(in a normally aspirated ICE at sea level)

How much energy does it take to create an equal amount of HHO?
(to release the same amount of energy in an ICE at sea level)

## Its very high, or very slow depending on the system used, I've often thought the answer would be solar cells, that hook straight to a liquid source and a gas separator, volume would be low but you could use the median between the interstate highways as the farm space. Small muscle lots of points doing the work.

If creating HHO could be done via battery back up in a vehicle what kind of gains could be made with a 15% HHO 85% gasoline ratio?
(premise- Solar energy was used to charge the batteries)

## The cubic feet of gas created is currently too slow at that size gadget to do you any good.

...yes I know that solar energy is not always reliable....no wait it is.....it is always there in the morning. Its the damn clouds

I have also seen comments about the "HHO scam" being that you are only tricking your engine into running at lean of peak performance. Aircraft pilots do this during cruise to save fuel all the time. My point would be LOP operations are not bad as long as you have maintained acceptable margins in you ECT or engine cylinder temperatures. Maybe thats all you need to do when driving in cruise conditions. Or maybe the HHO is causing the engines computer to think it needs to run lean because it does not know that the HHO is improving the performance. After all the only thing a computer knows is what we tell it......

Final thought....myth busters did run a car on hydrogen gas with no gasoline present. So the theory stands that HHO and gasoline do both work in an engine. Now the trick is to prove that the HHO can be made extremely cheaply. And be produced in a car in large enough amounts to seriously offset the amount of gasoline needed to run the ICE. I dont see how this HHO can increase MPG. I do see how it could reduce the amount of gas you put through your engine....ah hem.....wouldn't that give you greater range with the same amount of fuel in your tank?

I know nothing
Good questions, could not find straight answers to many of them.

Dave
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