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Nerys · 12-10-2009, 04:50 PM

rynarpm. its not the amps that are the issue. The right question is where does your charging system get the power?

the point that is missed is that if you are drawing 8 amps of POWER from your cars charging system than you CAN NEVER EVER be producing more than 8 amps of usable power from the Hydrogen you generate and this assumes its 100% efficient.

its is LITERALLY like trying to grab your ankles and LIFT yourself up. You need to get or apply energy from "outside" the system.

Hydrogen can work (though I have my doubts as to whether it can be used in this manner) but NOT when powered by the car itself.

because now your burning more gasoline to make electricity to run a hydrogen generator to spray into your engine to burn. see how its a closed loop?

entropy says this can not work. all energy transfer systems are lossy. you can never get more than 100% back.

the reason gas works is because we get the energy from OUTSIDE of the immediate loop. ie the planet made the gas over millions of years.

we are just using the result somewhere else (in the engine)

to even have a CHANCE of working you would need to bring your own seperate power supply with you to run the hydrogen generator IE a battery pack.

your still going to use more charging the pack (pesky entropy again) but your electricity in the house costs less than the gas in your tank so it MIGHT work in the end to save you some money.

Most people think. the alternator does not take much gas to run I can spin it with my hand.

Plug something INTO the alternator and NOW try to spin it :-) as you apply electrical demand on the alternator it will get harder and harder to spin.

one time I had to connect a 3000watt inverter to my minivan 3.0 V6 to power our fridge and freezer in the garage (power was out for 2 days)

when both tried to turn on together drawing a mere 6-7 amps each. it damned near stalled the engine.! in fact the only reason it did not was the inverter turned off (as the engine slowed down to stall it stopped producing the minimum volts it needed to run)

so I had to stagger start the compressors so only one was going at a time and then give it some gas when both came on at the same time.

takes a lot more gas than you might realize to produce 8 amps.

12-10-2009, 04:50 PM	#33 (permalink)
Nerys Grrr :-) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Levittown PA Posts: 800 Cherokee - '88 Jeep Cherokee 90 day: 19.44 mpg (US) Ryo-Ohki - '94 Geo Metro Xfi 90 day: 50.15 mpg (US) Vger 2 - '00 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE Ninja - '89 Geo Tracker 90 day: 30.27 mpg (US) Thanks: 12 Thanked 31 Times in 25 Posts	rynarpm. its not the amps that are the issue. The right question is where does your charging system get the power? the point that is missed is that if you are drawing 8 amps of POWER from your cars charging system than you CAN NEVER EVER be producing more than 8 amps of usable power from the Hydrogen you generate and this assumes its 100% efficient. its is LITERALLY like trying to grab your ankles and LIFT yourself up. You need to get or apply energy from "outside" the system. Hydrogen can work (though I have my doubts as to whether it can be used in this manner) but NOT when powered by the car itself. because now your burning more gasoline to make electricity to run a hydrogen generator to spray into your engine to burn. see how its a closed loop? entropy says this can not work. all energy transfer systems are lossy. you can never get more than 100% back. the reason gas works is because we get the energy from OUTSIDE of the immediate loop. ie the planet made the gas over millions of years. we are just using the result somewhere else (in the engine) to even have a CHANCE of working you would need to bring your own seperate power supply with you to run the hydrogen generator IE a battery pack. your still going to use more charging the pack (pesky entropy again) but your electricity in the house costs less than the gas in your tank so it MIGHT work in the end to save you some money. Most people think. the alternator does not take much gas to run I can spin it with my hand. Plug something INTO the alternator and NOW try to spin it :-) as you apply electrical demand on the alternator it will get harder and harder to spin. one time I had to connect a 3000watt inverter to my minivan 3.0 V6 to power our fridge and freezer in the garage (power was out for 2 days) when both tried to turn on together drawing a mere 6-7 amps each. it damned near stalled the engine.! in fact the only reason it did not was the inverter turned off (as the engine slowed down to stall it stopped producing the minimum volts it needed to run) so I had to stagger start the compressors so only one was going at a time and then give it some gas when both came on at the same time. takes a lot more gas than you might realize to produce 8 amps.