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Old 01-22-2010, 09:58 AM   #160 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Nerys View Post
So frank. Do you have any suggestions on my Fuel pumps from the following vehicles ALL FAILED within 8 months of switching (by force mind you) to ethanol fuels

92 Clubwagon
88 Cherokee
88 Wagoneer
94 Lumina APV 3.1
94 Lumina APV 3.8
98 Windstar
96 Voyager

what is common to all these vehicles that would cause ALL of their fuel pumps to fail within 8-12 months (all within 6 months of each other) of switching to ethanol. NOTE in 493,000 miles I have NEVER had to change a fuel pump on the 88 cherokee. same with the 120,000 on the wagon 176,000 on the voyager 240,000 on the lumina 3.8 212,000 on the clubwagon. My father also says he can not remember ONE TIME in his life before now where he had to change a fuel pump. Its just something that does not tend to fail often.

You say water could do it. Well if water did it that means the ETHANOL did it as far as I am concerned because water was not much of a problem PRE ETHANOL (ethanol ATTRACTS WATER)

I READILY admit that it could very well be one hell of a coincidence. But logically that does not make sense (but I do admit its possible)

Its also possible that gravity works by space pushing things down. Instead of earth pulling things toward it. We really do not have a clue how or why gravity works after all.

but you get to a point where the evidence SEEMS TO SAY that ethanol is the problem.

How much evidence is needed? So your vehicles have no failed. well neither has MOST people's vehicles.

MY manager rick has a 97 Saturn and its fuel pump is so far FINE with the ethanol. Then again I put more miles on my car in a month than he does in a year.

I imagine THAT has a very large effect on the results of this. More miles means more gallons of gas means accelerated wear.

Its very well also possible your pumps are failing EXACTLY as mine have but you don't drive nearly as many miles.

How many miles do you drive a year (curiosity) and is it even amongst your 3 listed cars? for example my jeep has seen only maybe 2000 miles of driving in the last 4 months since I got my Metro.

If I am not too lazy I am going to start working on removing ethanol from some fuel tommorrow. I will need a fill up by saturday so I hope to make that an ethanol free fill up :-) I AM curious about the difference in PA and NJ gas. I got stuck in PA on E so I had to fill up at a PA wawa. (I normally wait till I am in jersey going to or from work since gas is 30+ cents cheaper a gallon over their)

that tank netted me 47.92mpg! a record for me. I am reserving judgement until I can "repeat" that but already on this tank of NJ gas the "butt feel" on the gauge says I am back to 44-45mpg again.

so one of these days I am going to get a gallon of each and ethanol test them to see if anythings different about them that way. Its probably just a fluke or he did not quite "fill" the tank all the way though it did take 9.2 gallons.
This is odd. If the fuel is causing the problem I would think it would have to be local in nature. To many people using it without problems. Even if you're driving tons of miles in a year eventually those that don't would catch up and there would be a rash pumps failure.

You probably done this but do you get the gas at the same place, run your tank until the fuel light come on, and who is replacing the pumps when they fail? Any unusual additives added to try to bump the mileage?
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