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Old 11-11-2010, 03:58 AM   #115 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by autoteach View Post
Well, the long and short of it is that the politicians are all worthless (almost, there might be a couple that arent). As for the thread getting political, the whole existence of hybrids is political. We are subsidizing the production and purchase of these machines, and, truth be told, they really are not what they are cracked up to be.
What do you think they should be?
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If this is what we had:
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And this is what we have now, 25/36mpg for a 2011 civic.
If you're going to compare the two then you should use the same (unadjusted) figures, which is ~39/48mpg for the 2011 civic, pretty close to the 41/54mpg for the old civic, and it weighs twice as much, accelerates faster, has more in the way of creature comforts, and all those fancy emissions controls too.
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I am most certain that we have had the technology, and had we developed technology like this over the last 34 years of model years, 50 mpg would be pretty standard. Granted, weights have gone up, hp, electronics, and other crap has gone up, but should it negate the possibility of getting 50mpg from a gasoline car? I think the politics started a long time ago, long before we were debating the Government Motors Volt.
There are a few cars that get 50mpg using the same metric the old civic pulled 50mpg, but there aren't many that can pull 40mpg on the adjusted EPA tests w/o being hybrids.