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Old 06-03-2008, 07:05 PM   #38 (permalink)
Arminius
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Originally Posted by Lazarus View Post
*Sigh* Your avatar shows you have a bias against ethanol. As stated above MN (will) and Brazil both run mixtures of over E10 without damaging engines. Here's a link for a EPA approved conversion kit for ethanol for non FFV. Here's another for a pilot program from the KS that some cars get better mileage with blends of E20 or E30. I have found this also to be true.

The wilki page listed above in the previous post I found to be pretty accurate along with these links. I agree that you get less mileage with a non modified car on E85 but some cars will get better mileage with ethanol at varying blends. Like most thing related to the FE game it's something to experiment with and make your own risk accessment.
mhmitszach was not asking if some cars on the planet were able to burn more than 10% ethanol, so the comment is irrelevant. He owns a 90's Ford, and Ford would have voided his warranty if it was still covered.

As for Brazil, they have modified engines so they are "able to burn" (if you will read the article) that type of fuel. Stations in MN can sell gas with more than 10%, since there are cars designed to burn it. However, MN has not passed legislation to increase the percentage past 10% until the year 2013.

In addition, he asked about saving money. He can't save money if he 1) spends more money to buy the more expensive fuel and 2) burns it up faster than regular gas.

From the article:
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Ethanol is most commonly used to power automobiles, though it may be used to power other vehicles, such as farm tractors and airplanes. Ethanol (E100) consumption in an engine is approximately 34% higher than that of gasoline (the energy per volume unit is 34% lower).
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In theory, all fuel-driven vehicles have a fuel economy (measured as miles per US gallon, or liters per 100 km) that is directly proportional to the fuel's energy content.[27]In reality, there are many other variables that come in to play that affect the performance of a particular fuel in a particular engine. Ethanol contains approx. 34% less energy per unit volume than gasoline, and therefore in theory, burning pure ethanol in a vehicle will result in a 34% reduction in miles per US gallon, given the same fuel economy, compared to burning pure gasoline.
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