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Originally Posted by johnpr
so where did you get the "we would be communist" thing? i have never heard that before
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EXCUSE ME? Do you really think that if the Soviets and Chinese were unopposed that the world would have turned out the way it has? Perhaps I should have said "We
almost certainly would be communist" instead of making such an absolute statement, but I stand by it nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by johnpr
... and yes if we would have been communist it would be possible that we would have the internet today and free discussion, my friend from russia says she used it all the time before moving here, in fact that is how she met her current husband, and guess what? they are moving back to post communist russia.
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Sorry, I believe you're wrong there. Your anecdotal story about your friends' opinion is what has happened post-communist, not what likely would have happened if communism had persisted. No, if we had not opposed communism so strongly and for such a long time, Perestroika would have likely never happened. You think China has free discussion? Why don't you ask the jailed political activists and religious leaders? Why don't you ask the Dalai Lama why he doesn't return home? You think North Korea has free discussions?
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Originally Posted by johnpr
... and yes i will agree with you that countries which where highly corrupted like the soviet union have had a terrible impact on the environment, but that can happen anywhere, seriously we havent been the greatest on the environment either, for instance the US navy dumps rags full of oil into the ocean as soon as they are 50 miles from shore, i know that cant be good for the ocean. how do i know this, my wife was an engineer in the navy and her superiors required it.
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I never said we had a perfect record. Yes, the Navy did have some horrible practices. The operative word is "did."
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Originally Posted by johnpr
my point is, you cant say that because they where communist they embodied all that was bad, we just tend be brainwashed into only seeing the bad, its not that hard to look at the US and find many faults involving pollution, government corruption, money laundering, or poverty.
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So, pray tell, what good things were there about the Soviet Union? Sorry, buddy, I'm not brainwashed -- I know and recognize the failings of our country.
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im not trying to bully you about the whole communist thing but we are far from saints ourselves.
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I never said we were. If you inferred that, that's your issue.