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Nerys · 06-17-2008, 02:28 PM

The seperation of water molecules (IE O2 and H2) at least by electrolysis is extraordinarily energy intensive.

I applied a 7-8 amp load to my alternator (via a 3000watt 120 converter) and it almost shut down the V6 engine when that load kicked in !! its going to take a bit MORE than that to generate enough HHO gas to run your car.

Here is why HHO can never work at least purely electrically. By the time you have a battery pack large enough to go say 100 miles on HHO gas you ALREADY HAVE a battery large enough to go 200miles as a pure EV.

See the problem? How are you going to carry that amount of batteries. IF WE EV droolers can not get enough batteries for our cars how are you going to get TWICE as much power for your HHO car?

NOW if you have found a chemical way to release the HHO gas with far less electricity THEN you might have something here.

Its not an issue of conservation its an issue of POWER density. it just takes so much power.

Now if you generate that power at home and store the gas and transfer it to your car THEN it might work. but now your running into the same problem H2 people have. HOW do you store "enough" HHO gas to get any kind of range?

The law applies to ALL energy systems. What part of LAW OF THE UNIVERSE is not understood here. BUT them again law of conservation is NOT RELEVANT to powering cars.

You see ALL energy exchanges are lossy. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM requires MORE power in than Power out. SO discussing the law of conservation of mass and energy in this topic only shows a lack of understanding of what that law means.

The question is NOT does it take more energy in than out (the answer is ALWAYS yes until our laws of physics changes) the question is how much energy do YOU have to put into the system compared to what you get out AND most important of all more important than ANY other issue. What does that COST YOU.

If you have to put out 100 times the energy but that energy costs you 1/10th what gasoline does. WHO CARES :-)

SO the questions are:

HOW much does it cost you to produce HHO?
Is it less than buying Gasoline?
What methods are available to produce it?
HOW MUCH do you need to be able to power a car?
If you need to store it HOW do you do this?

How much energy is needed to make it versus how much you get from it is completely irrelevant. Any idea how much energy it took to make gasoline?

The ONLY relevant questions are CAN you use it and HOW MUCH does it COST to use it.

All other questions are silly and pointless except possibly how CLEAN is it but it usually ends up being the cheaper it is the cleaner it is. the CHEAPEST source of power we have is battery power and its the cleanest. Go Figure :-)

06-17-2008, 02:28 PM	#67 (permalink)
Nerys Grrr :-) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Levittown PA Posts: 800 Cherokee - '88 Jeep Cherokee 90 day: 19.44 mpg (US) Ryo-Ohki - '94 Geo Metro Xfi 90 day: 50.15 mpg (US) Vger 2 - '00 Plymouth Grand Voyager SE Ninja - '89 Geo Tracker 90 day: 30.27 mpg (US) Thanks: 12 Thanked 31 Times in 25 Posts	The seperation of water molecules (IE O2 and H2) at least by electrolysis is extraordinarily energy intensive. I applied a 7-8 amp load to my alternator (via a 3000watt 120 converter) and it almost shut down the V6 engine when that load kicked in !! its going to take a bit MORE than that to generate enough HHO gas to run your car. Here is why HHO can never work at least purely electrically. By the time you have a battery pack large enough to go say 100 miles on HHO gas you ALREADY HAVE a battery large enough to go 200miles as a pure EV. See the problem? How are you going to carry that amount of batteries. IF WE EV droolers can not get enough batteries for our cars how are you going to get TWICE as much power for your HHO car? NOW if you have found a chemical way to release the HHO gas with far less electricity THEN you might have something here. Its not an issue of conservation its an issue of POWER density. it just takes so much power. Now if you generate that power at home and store the gas and transfer it to your car THEN it might work. but now your running into the same problem H2 people have. HOW do you store "enough" HHO gas to get any kind of range? The law applies to ALL energy systems. What part of LAW OF THE UNIVERSE is not understood here. BUT them again law of conservation is NOT RELEVANT to powering cars. You see ALL energy exchanges are lossy. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM requires MORE power in than Power out. SO discussing the law of conservation of mass and energy in this topic only shows a lack of understanding of what that law means. The question is NOT does it take more energy in than out (the answer is ALWAYS yes until our laws of physics changes) the question is how much energy do YOU have to put into the system compared to what you get out AND most important of all more important than ANY other issue. What does that COST YOU. If you have to put out 100 times the energy but that energy costs you 1/10th what gasoline does. WHO CARES :-) SO the questions are: HOW much does it cost you to produce HHO? Is it less than buying Gasoline? What methods are available to produce it? HOW MUCH do you need to be able to power a car? If you need to store it HOW do you do this? How much energy is needed to make it versus how much you get from it is completely irrelevant. Any idea how much energy it took to make gasoline? The ONLY relevant questions are CAN you use it and HOW MUCH does it COST to use it. All other questions are silly and pointless except possibly how CLEAN is it but it usually ends up being the cheaper it is the cleaner it is. the CHEAPEST source of power we have is battery power and its the cleanest. Go Figure :-)